"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Don't ever become this guy.
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
ThunderMaverick
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Good thing you refute my reply. I believe you now.STR8UP said:
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
iqqi
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There really aren't sides, but it's obvious that some of you do your darnest to stick together NO MATTER WHAT. Instead of actually responding to points made.ketostix said:
Here is something to really alarm you homos:
There is just you three left in your huddle.
iqqi
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Is that supposed to surprise us?STR8UP said:
ThunderMaverick
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STR8UP said:
What? Did you completely miss the point of that statement? It was a joke wrapped around a very good point.
I'm not accusing you of being a guy who hangs out with ....
ah never mind.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
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It's 9 pages of flaming, nothing good, just people taking cheap shots at each other.
We're better than this here. It's time we start acting like it.
STR8UP said:
See that's just it. Don't forget I was in "their business" and "judging". You got to just love the hypocrisy in that last line. The only point the "other side" had was that my conclusion about the situation could've been wrong if some other unlikely scenario was at play. Every other side point they made was flimsy on its face. It was all just a bunch of insulting and flaming wrapped around their one small point they supposedly were making.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
MacAvoy
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I hate it when you come into a thread and its already 8 pages long. Then to truly understand you have to read it all. The worst was coming into a MNIN 15+ pages in.reset said:
I got sucked in around page 4 of this thread, tried to be logically, got sucked in a bit but I kept my posts to a minimum. I'll save you the trouble, its not worth reading, like Mr Positive said, its actually disgraceful for the MM forum to have this IMO.
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STR8UP said:
From what you tell us about the people you hang out with, people ASSUME you are just like them. They think that your motives coincide with the people you go out with. They screw around and f*ck people over, so a lot of people here assume you are the same as them.
Someone made the point that if they saw you hanging out with those s!uts and attention whores they would assume you would be either a shallow money grubbing yuppie or a total AFC.
They don't know you, but they're judging you based on who you hang out with.
Is that fair of them to do when they don't even know you?
YOU certainly don't believe so, seeing as you always cry about it.
You actually MISSED that point?
reset said:
LOL. Let me give you the condensced version. Apparently it is OK for iqqi and others like her to make assumptions about posters on here, but it's not OK for me to make assumptions about an anonymous individual I observed in person. There you go
."Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.