sazc
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Sorry babe, I don't have time to play nonsense games with children, move alongWhat exactly was your interjection in page 1 again?
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Sorry babe, I don't have time to play nonsense games with children, move alongWhat exactly was your interjection in page 1 again?
To be fair, the topic of this thread is, "Did your wife/ex-wife change after kids." Not, "How do you think you could improve as a husband and father."The lack of self assessment, self examination, in this thread is incredulous.
Understood. Like I state in the thread, in detail, and in different dimensions, all relationships change when you have a child. Ppl may myopically believe "I didn't change a bit!" But both people are going to change.To be fair, the topic of this thread is, "Did your wife/ex-wife change after kids." Not, "How do you think you could improve as a husband and father."
Now, I haven't read through the whole thread yet, but I've already seen some self-assessment. Meanwhile there seems to be some examples, if not consensus, of the wives not being so self-examining.
That reminds me of one.Also, old joke (usually told in Spanish):
Husband comes home from work and calls out to his wife.
Husband: "Honey, I brought you the aspirin!"
Wife: "What? I don't have a headache."
Husband: "Great. Let's fvck!"
Sure, but I don't see anyone saying they haven't changed either. But it's about whether and how the woman changed. You're right that it doesn't happen in a vacuum, and there are three (or more) moving parts once the baby comes along. Since so much of this thread is about sex, one thing that doesn't change is that men continue to want it after fatherhood begins, where according to testimony here, women seek it less.Understood. Like I state in the thread, in detail, and in different dimensions, all relationships change when you have a child. You may myopically believe "I didn't change a bit?" But both people are going to change.
Forty billionth time, lolSure, but I don't see anyone saying they haven't changed either. But it's about whether and how the woman changed. You're right that it doesn't happen in a vacuum, and there are three (or more) moving parts once the baby comes along. Since so much of this thread is about sex, one thing that doesn't change is that men continue to want it after fatherhood begins, where according to testimony here, women seek it less.
My inclination is to control for whether some of these posters were blue pill or young when they first became fathers. That is, rather than them changing, did they not know in the first place how to navigate the shoals of parenthood.
Having read some but not all of the responses, it sounds like there is a lot of power shifting. I can understand mothers wanting more say in household and child rearing dynamics. A man has to delegate and say "listen to your mother" in a lot of cases. It sounds to me (never having been a dad) that the key is knowing how to maintain, for the forty billionth time, frame.
Here's a tag for you @sazcIt's funny how they are so scared of me that they refuse to tag me for fear of me seeing it, lol. The *alpha* men have to whisper behind the scenes, lol
They always come back!
Is the chicken complaining to the wolf that things is not fair when he's in the chicken coop?They always come back!
You legit call me out so I'll pay attention to you. I love how I occupy real estate in your mind, lolIs the chicken complaining to the wolf that things is not fair when he's in the chicken coop?
Bums claimed to be occupying Wall Street but all they were doing was squatting in a park till they got robbed then tazed and thrown out by police.You legit call me out so I'll pay attention to you. I love how I occupy real estate in your mind, lol
Plenty of women think about that when I'm around.You legit call me out so I'll pay attention to you. I love how I occupy real estate in your mind, lol
What if they didnt care if your stress is relieved because it gives control?I know all the stresses. A few 15 minute sessions a week wont hurt anything and it also RELIEVES STRESS. Somehow it gets clicked as another job.
The importance of this singular post by Ranger is overlooked.These things are impossible. Arguing with biological and solipsistic thought processes are impossible. Would a warrior caveman argue with his woman? Smirk and do what you have to do. At least she will respect that.
Man, this is definitely ingrained in the modern man's mind, I mean like concrete. Some guys will fight to the death to defend it too. Every man in power totes this party line too, preachers, bosses, coaches...."oh my wife does soooo much she holds it all together, etc." I understand that it's true to an extent, but those are high achieving males by nature, and while the wife does help them out a lot because they are out achieving, it's misleading advice for men who are struggling. They sound as if the wife is the REASON for their achievement, rather than support. That breeds all the betas out there trying to help out around the house, etc., in an attempt to be a better husband because their wives are the ones achieving.Part of this stems from the way we coddle our children, and part of it stems from feminism. It started when NOW changed their stance from "let's do what's best for the kids" to "mom knows what's best for the kids." Our society as a whole has bought into this idea; it is also likely a byproduct of traditional values blending with current gender roles.