"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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AriMamba

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Lately I been going out this long dates. Quite frankly I don’t ever know when to end it. How long do you guys usually last?

I usually just hang out then grab something to eat. Is the date supposed to be over? I usually just keep it going untill it gets late. I feel though that this is bad and the girl might think I am giving her too much attention.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The Duke

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It really depends on the chemistry and how active the date is. You want to end your dates on a high note. I've gone out on tons of dates and there is no hard and fast rule I stick to. I've had 1.5hr dates and 6hr dates that were all great.

You need to experiment and see what works for you and your personality and the types of girls you attract. Part of being successful with women is having a sense of awareness. Women are not some black/white mathematical equation where you plug a number into a spreadsheet and it spits out an answer.
 
IKO69

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Yeah, don't go in worrying about length of time & pick some fun activity for the data. Something hands on you both can do - last date I had we went to this new bowling alley that opened up in this hot section of the city. At certain points I helped her with her form (aka I would touch her and ****). You use your surroundings to your advantage.
 
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Agree on ending with a high note. If its start to drag on, say you have to get back to doing xyz. If she liked you enough on the date, she'll want more of your time and hit you up.
 
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