That is okI realized it was a perspective. I don't agree with it.
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That is okI realized it was a perspective. I don't agree with it.
Remember, I told you I believe that lack of intimacy between man and woman and sexlessness or lack of it is a bad example for children.You are free to have any perspective you want. One can not prove "believes"
It is. Your not alone. There are other men and women with your viewpoint. They think couples kissing and sharing a lot of effection are gross, or offend them. People that have sex are animals or lack control. A lot of relationship issues were from fundamental viewpoints being different.That is ok
that is fundamentalIt is. Your not alone. There are other men and women with your viewpoint. They think couples kissing and sharing a lot of effection are gross, or offend them. People that have sex are animals or lack control. A lot of relationship issues were from fundamental viewpoints being different.
Yes I understand that perspective. It's the classic neo conservative one. So not difficult to understand.Remember, I told you I believe that lack of intimacy between man and woman and sexlessness or lack of it is a bad example for children.
Children learn from what they observe.
I am interested in research of T levels. Here I throw one out:that is fundamental
You are correct to have these views mrgoodstuff.
Your natural T levels start at a higher baseline than others, you're not psychopathic.
Those with low drives are at risk of psychopathy, really.(referring to myself, not you epicenter)
Yes, let's definitely talk about this. It actually doesn't matter whether the top 20%, top 10%, or top 7% are doing well. Whatever number it is, the story is that the vast majority of men do not have easy access to partnered orgasm. The easy access is to sexual release. Additionally, the men outside the top tier % want what the men at the top have. They aren't all that psyched to settle. Many do settle because they think it's better than being partnerless and sexless and they feel they have no other options in life but to simp for an overweight single mom. More men are starting to wise up that marriage is a bad deal. Maybe all they should do is casually bang, even if it is lower quality women, or have relationships but not put a ring on it.Man 20% has always struck me as such an optimistic percentage. You mean to tell me that 1 in 5 men I see walking around outside is basically pimping it out there? Though according to the chart below, I guess if you include men who are "medium" then you do get up to 19%. But only 7% of them are actually attractive in the absolute sense.
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That is the problem with movements the loudest and most emotional are the most influential.Yes, let's definitely talk about this. It actually doesn't matter whether the top 20%, top 10%, or top 7% are doing well. Whatever number it is, the story is that the vast majority of men do not have easy access to partnered orgasm. The easy access is to sexual release. Additionally, the men outside the top tier % want what the men at the top have. They aren't all that psyched to settle. Many do settle because they think it's better than being partnerless and sexless and they feel they have no other options in life but to simp for an overweight single mom. More men are starting to wise up that marriage is a bad deal. Maybe all they should do is casually bang, even if it is lower quality women, or have relationships but not put a ring on it.
I think the MGTOW movement gets a bad name because of the incel contingent of the MGTOW movement. There's a common perception that seems to exist that the MGTOW movement is comprised of guys who can't get laid. I personally do not identify with MGTOW. However, I have some overlapping viewpoints with the movement. I am going my own way, and opting out of the marriage path in life. I'm all about getting vag though.
Low T. Lads not approaching.Many young men are shunning sex. Is it because feminism and #MeToo are constant reminders of the inferiority of male identity?
Celibacy is becoming the new normal, as surveys show that the number of sexually inactive young Americans is increasing, particularly among males aged between 18 and 24.www.rt.com
Our grandfathers were of the greatest generation. They had NO GAME but pulled top form SMV 18-23 not busted post wall or single moms.Yes, let's definitely talk about this. It actually doesn't matter whether the top 20%, top 10%, or top 7% are doing well. Whatever number it is, the story is that the vast majority of men do not have easy access to partnered orgasm. The easy access is to sexual release. Additionally, the men outside the top tier % want what the men at the top have. They aren't all that psyched to settle. Many do settle because they think it's better than being partnerless and sexless and they feel they have no other options in life but to simp for an overweight single mom. More men are starting to wise up that marriage is a bad deal. Maybe all they should do is casually bang, even if it is lower quality women, or have relationships but not put a ring on it.
I think the MGTOW movement gets a bad name because of the incel contingent of the MGTOW movement. There's a common perception that seems to exist that the MGTOW movement is comprised of guys who can't get laid. I personally do not identify with MGTOW. However, I have some overlapping viewpoints with the movement. I am going my own way, and opting out of the marriage path in life. I'm all about getting vag though.
Since you and I are both Millennials, we likely had grandfathers born in the 1920s or maybe early 1930s. My maternal grandfather was a great man. He fought in World War II and had an attractive feminine wife with a 0 notch count when they married. My grandma was proud of her pre-marriage 0 notch count. They married soon after he returned from World War II. It lasted 55+ years.Our grandfathers were of the greatest generation. They had NO GAME but pulled top form SMV 18-23 not busted post wall or single moms.
I don't advocate mgtow but the idea of marriage is insanity in the west.
This is a major issue that people aren't aware of.Since you and I are both Millennials, we likely had grandfathers born in the 1920s or maybe early 1930s. My maternal grandfather was a great man. He fought in World War II and had an attractive feminine wife with a 0 notch count when they married. My grandma was proud of her pre-marriage 0 notch count. They married soon after he returned from World War II. It lasted 55+ years.
That doesn't happen today. I miss my grandparents. I thought about my grandfather a lot this weekend with it being Father's Day.
I'm the only grandchild of those previously mentioned grandparents to not get a divorce. That's because I assessed the sexual marketplace, the broader culture and my own personality. I realized it wasn't going to work. I didn't want to go through a divorce. My parents went through one and it was not good. I want to have sex. I think pair bonding is good. An extended relationship has value. I'm not going to get the state involved in it. I'm going to extract the value I can from the relationship and exit when it is no longer good. I'm not sticking around for a decline in sexual frequency.
Why would I want to have kids when I likely won't stay with the baby mama until the kids are 18? That's not just me. Probability dictates that any two people having kids in the West aren't likely to be together until all their kids reach 18. I don't want to put a child through what I went through.
For the Millennials born between 1982-1992, the grandparents are typically born between the late 1910s and early 1930s. The late 1910s - early 1930s got married before no fault divorces became law around 1970 in most states. This cohort didn't divorce as much. The latter part of the Silent Generation (late 1930s/early 1940s births) were the first wave of divorcees in the 1970s. These were the parents of the Generation X'ers (1965-1981 births) who were the original latchkey kids. Most of the Gen X latchkey kids are now parents themselves.This is a major issue that people aren't aware of.
I don't understand how the older generations would essentially marry as virgins and stay together for life but yet their children all seemed to end up in these dysfunctional marriages that ended in divorce. I'm 30, so we are around the same age, and where I grew up, metro Boston area, most of the other middle class or higher children had divorced parents. From my perspective, I feel like many of the people around my parent's age got married for the wrong reasons and/or married someone who clearly was not something they should get involved with. When I became a young adult one of the vibes I've picked up on with people in this age range is this bizarre and irrational deep fear they seem to have of being alone. It's almost like they'd rather put up with an abusive or absent partner who makes their life miserable instead of just being single. I say this from my experience and observations of people of my parent's generation, many of whom have adult children who aren't even in the household anymore.
The issue we seem to have today though is women having all of these illegitimate children who have no father at all in the picture, not just physically but financially as well. I don't really have to go into why this is a horrible situation to be in, both for the mother and the children.
Nah. Alcohol is definitely more Physiologically toxic than fapping.It's probably better for sexless men to go down the overconsumption of alcohol path than the overconsumption of porn and accompanying fapping path.
The original article posted is evidence of the primary problem we're seeing the sexual marketplace. There's an terribly uneven distribution of vagina.
So you're around.Too many fat women
Too many low T guys
The Baby Boomers had excess because of a unique set of circumstances unlikely to be replicated in the present or future. After World War II, Europe and Japan were decimated. It would take both of those areas until 1965-1970 to be competitive economically on a global scale. Japan had a great 1970s and 1980s. The Nikkei crashed in 1989 and Japan has never truly recovered from that. With the U.S. being the dominant global economic force in the 1945-1970 era, the Baby Boomers were raised in prosperity and graduated into good economies when they decided to end their educations, whether it was high school, college, or beyond. Even the Boomers that whine about graduating into recessionary 1970s economies had a walk in the park compared to the Millennials who graduated in the late 2000s/early 2010s and the COVID 2020-2021 graduates.@SW15
I think a lot of what you are mentioning here is a pretty good map to describe how all of this played out. One of the things I've always felt was that the baby boomers were the first generation to truly have excess. They enjoyed a period of time where as long as you put some sort of effort in, went to school or learned a trade you'd do very well in life. Generations before this literally worked to the bone just to barely get by. Things like partying, drugs, promiscuity, strip clubs were nowhere near as prevalent or rather accepted as they were in the 1960s through up to today.
What I'm mentioning here seems to connect with the ideas you brought up above about having issues with bonding, etc. You think some woman or man who has been partying and sleeping around through the teen years and twenties is all of a sudden going to be marriage capable once they approach their 30s?
I think what we see now with youngish people now is that they don't want to get married because they saw and felt what it was like as a child.