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article: Many young men are shunning sex. Is it because feminism and #MeToo are constant reminders of the inferiority of male identity?

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I've decided to run my own nofap experiment. I've deleted the porn from my phone - pictures (tens of thousands) and links to website videos - and will start nofap from this moment.

I am under absolutely no illusions that this will change anything for me. I'm genuinely curious if I really will feel more energized, more driven and motivated. I personally doubt it. That weapons permit red tape I need to sort out? I don't expect nofap will motivate me to finally pursue it. That problem with the bank? I'm not expecting any newfound drive to fix that, either.

I don't expect to last long. I'll post back here when I cave in.
 

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I've decided to run my own nofap experiment. I've deleted the porn from my phone - pictures (tens of thousands) and links to website videos - and will start nofap from this moment.

I am under absolutely no illusions that this will change anything for me. I'm genuinely curious if I really will feel more energized, more driven and motivated. I personally doubt it. That weapons permit red tape I need to sort out? I don't expect nofap will motivate me to finally pursue it. That problem with the bank? I'm not expecting any newfound drive to fix that, either.

I don't expect to last long. I'll post back here when I cave in.
get the weapons permit. That's cool asf.
 

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This is horrifying lol but true. Sometimes i hate getting older. But I am glad that I grew up in an era where it was still somewhat possible for an average guy to get laid. Now the young men these days are totally screwed.

I was 17 when facebook really started to get popular so it wasnt too bad back then. Great post btw bro.
It's happened before... it's called the Neolithic Y-Chromosome Bottleneck, when 17 women reproduced for every 1 man who did. That means 1 man fvcked 17 women and the other men didn't fvck shyt. We can only really speculate on why, but it happened.

I've decided to run my own nofap experiment. I've deleted the porn from my phone - pictures (tens of thousands) and links to website videos - and will start nofap from this moment.

I am under absolutely no illusions that this will change anything for me. I'm genuinely curious if I really will feel more energized, more driven and motivated. I personally doubt it. That weapons permit red tape I need to sort out? I don't expect nofap will motivate me to finally pursue it. That problem with the bank? I'm not expecting any newfound drive to fix that, either.

I don't expect to last long. I'll post back here when I cave in.
In my experience nofap predictably didn't do anything in these regards. Again in my experience the only reason to stop jacking off is as a preventive measure against performance issues with sex, assuming you are having any sex.

I find it amusing when I watch my younger male friends escaping into drugs and alcohol from poor work and dating market.
Do you see it spreading? is it really that bad?
 
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In my experience nofap predictably didn't do anything in these regards. Again in my experience the only reason to stop jacking off is as a preventive measure against performance issues with sex, assuming you are having any sex.
Excess Fapping ends up substituting sex and real companionship and fvcks up your real response around women.
@mrgoodstuff is correct. You can't mess up the real response. The reason @AttackFormation cites is the only reason one needs to do it. Some guys feel that their approaches are better received under no fap. The buying signals I've gotten from women in the nofap era haven't been all too much more. I do feel better about myself as a nofap guy, so that might help approaching a little bit, or help my performance on early stage dates.

As women sort themselves into soft harems with Chad and society goes back to a polygynous mating structure as there was in the earlier days of agriculture, when the proportion of male DNA that was passed on basically reached a genetic bottleneck, this will indeed become the case for men.

If women sort themselves into hypergamous soft harems with apex males, then the non-apex males have to fight with each other like rats over the discarded leftovers and castoffs trickling down from the dinner table, and these leavings will in turn be taken by the remaining males with the highest smv who in assortative mating terms will indeed have "settled" for these women. A few men will have harems, and most men will be living in some form of scarcity or another.
This is exactly whats happening. This is why thirst and simping are at pandemic levels. A lot of men in the United States and Western Europe are fighting for scraps of pusssy at this point.

It's what Tinder, Bumble and Instragram is about really:

"Gimme CHAD for fun and procreation. Gimme betaboi for wine&dine and feet massage. He can raise offspring of alpha too in exchange for sex once a month. Just no cummin' in me. Unprotected sex is messy and can make me pregnant again"
When I used apps, I had a too many dates that only lasted one date. It would be one date with no sex. I guess most of the women deemed me to be useless. I guess that they realized I wanted to slam their poontangs, and wasn't going to put up with any shiit arrangement that didn't involve me getting vag. I guess I was neither Chad nor betaboi, so useless. Useless is better than betaboi.

I am under absolutely no illusions that this will change anything for me. I'm genuinely curious if I really will feel more energized, more driven and motivated. I personally doubt it. That weapons permit red tape I need to sort out? I don't expect nofap will motivate me to finally pursue it. That problem with the bank? I'm not expecting any newfound drive to fix that, either.
This will be the most challenging thing you will ever do in your lifetime.

No fap will make you feel better about yourself because it takes immense discipline to make that a reality. You will be more driven to approach in non-pandemic times. Approaching during the mask and distancing era presents its own challenges. If you can convert an approach to sex, it will be good.
 

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What about if you are almost fapping exclusively to escorts/prostitutes? Isn't the dialogue, while other guys are paying money for that and potentially catching STDs, Covid-19, and demons, and inconveniencing themselves, all I have to do is just change my underware and forget that ever happened?
It's certainly lower risk and cheaper.
 

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@mrgoodstuff is correct. You can't mess up the real response. The reason @AttackFormation cites is the only reason one needs to do it. Some guys feel that their approaches are better received under no fap. The buying signals I've gotten from women in the nofap era haven't been all too much more. I do feel better about myself as a nofap guy, so that might help approaching a little bit, or help my performance on early stage dates.



This is exactly whats happening. This is why thirst and simping are at pandemic levels. A lot of men in the United States and Western Europe are fighting for scraps of pusssy at this point.



When I used apps, I had a too many dates that only lasted one date. It would be one date with no sex. I guess most of the women deemed me to be useless. I guess that they realized I wanted to slam their poontangs, and wasn't going to put up with any shiit arrangement that didn't involve me getting vag. I guess I was neither Chad nor betaboi, so useless. Useless is better than betaboi.



This will be the most challenging thing you will ever do in your lifetime.

No fap will make you feel better about yourself because it takes immense discipline to make that a reality. You will be more driven to approach in non-pandemic times. Approaching during the mask and distancing era presents its own challenges. If you can convert an approach to sex, it will be good.
Every man on here should be constantly fvcking, even if he has to lower his standards to prevent drought.
 

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Every man on here should be constantly fvcking, even if he has to lower his standards to prevent drought.
I respectfully disagree, dealing with women nowadays is as dangerous as training MMA 3 times a week...it has be worth at least.

Also there is more dignity in being a drug addict than being engaged with an average woman at her terms today.
 

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Well we agree that generally doctors have no skills beyond fixing someone that is sick...optimizaton is far from their plans and probably they dont even know how.

Not sure where you are but if your country has a public healthcare those doctors dont get paid from you but get paid from the government with your tax money which means that if they suck they still get paid even if you change professional.

I quit dealing with the family doctor cause he basically didnt bother to update his knowledge, he doesnt have to, he doesnt need to as long as enough sick people go to him and he makes them a little less sick.

God help you if you happen to have low test symptoms and talk with an average doctor, the answer is the standard "you're fine, its all in your head everything is in place also you're not 18 anymore".

As long as someone is not visibly sick to them he is as good as possible.
I think the book 'Undoctored' speaks of the bare minimums doctors are doing and how to demand better healthcare when you do go to a doctor. Haven't read it yet, but I will.
 

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Every man on here should be constantly fvcking, even if he has to lower his standards to prevent drought.
This only works for some. Some man feel disgusted having sex with ugly women. For some men their thirst just gets higher.

I understand like in boxing you need a hunger to be a champ. I rather be the guy who does boxing because he likes it and not because he thinks he has no choice.
The more you invest in women the more you might pedestalize women. Only few things are more problematic than thirst.

Epikur said more than 2000 jears ago I wish I could solve my hunger problem the way I can solve my sex problem.

Sex happens mostly in our heads otherwise porn would not be more fun than real sex for a lot of guys.

It helps to invest in oneself so one makes peace with oneself and maybe become more attraktive to mankind in the process.

Sex (quality) was always historically a rare thing for men. Some men don't feel like men if they don't have sex. They think they lose their identity but maybe they lose their identity buy chasing sex.

I would see it like a nice hobby not like it's a religion or life and death situation. It's like workout. If you like to do it do it. If you like to push it push it. No need for dramatizing.
 

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Having sex with women way below your SMV is sad, leaves you depressed, and is a waste of time. I prefer to jack off and would prefer to go to prostitute than to p.uck any woman below 6+/10 looks threshold nowadays. Not with my current SMV. No way. Never got a mercy phuck and don't intend to mercy-phuck either.
If you are using a prostitute then doesnt that also count in lowering your standards? You are dealing with someone almost anyone with money can deal with and has seen an insane amount of guys.
 

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Considering we are talking about an ultimate resort, it's still better to eat cake with 5 other guys (make it 2000) than eat s.hit alone.

I am after looks heavily when it comes to women and prefer 8/10 looks skank to 4/10 "fat cat lady with ok face".

If you want to plow sad fat cat lady that is "monogamic" and "has traditional values" then be my guest but there's no award for that, you will still need to spend time, money and provide her with attention and in the end, she was a virgin only before her first time which obviously already happened.

Hot prostitutes are male equivalent of "ONS with CHAD". I always thought its obvious and there should be no remorse about it - you are a man and have right to a good ****. It needs to be provided this way or the other.
It is still a lowering of standards. You went from 5 to 2000 guys in your example. She may have seen 5 or 6 people that day before you. Have you been with a prostitute that was hot?
 

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I was never with prostitute, I will visit prostitute in the next two months if I will fail at dating (I am ending personal project in next few days and I can comfortably return to dating - FINALLY) during this period.
It is a theoretical last resort not a real one then. As you have never been with one but I have then its more likely I know what I am talking about when I call it too gross. For something to be a true last resort then you have to try it and see if it is for you or not. We both know this is just something in your mind and you wont have the guts to actually go through with it. You simply can not go there and you know it. That is why it is not your last resort.
 

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That's what you get when you go to the restaurant but don't read reviews first.
You wont have the guts to do it or you would have already tried it. Your last resort thing is just procrastination. Its a last resort if you have tried it then go back to normal women, get rejected, then go there.

But I am not daring you to do this. You will be successful so forget about it.
 
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Mate, its not about guts. Most guys are afraid that it will be a "hearthbreaking experience" or that "paying for sex is beta-AF" or that "they will catch STD" or something. I don't have the guts to enter another LTR currently - I don't have the guts for that certainly.

I tell you why I never did it so far - because it's sub-optimal choice and you are phucked more than hooker is. I have a dating market to use, I am looking good, I have hobbies, but currently I am burned out - I was so concentrated on my work and 'purpose' i.e. personal projects (apartment, working late hours, learning languages, getting additional qualifications) that I'm burned out and on dry spell. I see how my efficiency at work suffered because of that lockdown COVID s.hit and large project I was working on since several months. I didn't get a proper lay since all that time and it makes me crazy.

I need to work on my personal life and simply change priorities for now on - except I'm thirsty AF for a decent lay and I give off this thirsty vibe currently, so its more probable that I will fail every single sh.it test thrown at me by a decent chick than pass it and I simply want a good sex - add that I am also tired of female games, flakes, ****ty behaviour, COVID, poor quality plates/LTRs etc. to the point of stress-uninstalling dating apps when I see sh.itty behaviour.

I simply want a surephuck in the next two months with beautiful body w/o a need to GIVE something connected with my mental sphere - I simply want to phuck without feeling anything else than satisfying my carnal lust. I am that thirsty that I am ready to put on the hook my belief that I shouldn't pay for it - I am simply phucktired of working, duties, constant upgrading myself, s.hit from women, taxes, working late hours etc. I have worked last 2 years to finally be able to say "damn, I am doing good" but I'm not doing good on personal level because I have totally put that on the hook since my last break up several months ago, again escaping into work.

Currently I have about 60 matches of SMV 7/8 females in a city where I moved to WORK for a several days last week. So I would like to game them but instead I AM WORKING because that's what I need to do. Yes, I decided to move here for several days to work, neverthless I am phucktired of it. It's the last big project before summer and I plan to VENT for about half a year.

Now, you could tell me - "mark, if you have such a good matches, statistics says you should score at least with one of them. so why hookers?" "are you a p.ussy? Why don't you engage them?"

and I would reply "I would score at least with 3 of them" except I will just move with my duties instead and then I will be too tired to game them and pass any ****.tests simply because LIFE.

Thus, there's another timer going - next two months - solid lay with nice as.s (will fieldreport) or HOOKER. From the top shelf.

So please spare me your "you don't have the guts". I was thinking about it since a few months, constantly telling myself "you don't need it" but I have crossed the burnout threshold months ago and didn't notice it until it was too late. I simply phucked up and COVID got me from left flank. I sincerely doubt it will end the other way around.
For something that is just 15 to 30 min of your time, there is allot of thoughts and feelings about it. Comparing that to an LTR? I can call guts on such a short time investment.

You are in a better positon now to try that out without hurting your ego because you have lots of matches. Why would you wait until you are at the lowest point in your life before that becomes an option?

Just concede. It is not your last resort. Get it out of your vocabulary as it is loser talk and negative.
 
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If you are using a prostitute then doesnt that also count in lowering your standards? You are dealing with someone almost anyone with money can deal with and has seen an insane amount of guys.
I kinda like this guy when he analyzes articles.

Using prostitute for most is a slight degredation, because you ar
This only works for some. Some man feel disgusted having sex with ugly women. For some men their thirst just gets higher.

I understand like in boxing you need a hunger to be a champ. I rather be the guy who does boxing because he likes it and not because he thinks he has no choice.
The more you invest in women the more you might pedestalize women. Only few things are more problematic than thirst.

Epikur said more than 2000 jears ago I wish I could solve my hunger problem the way I can solve my sex problem.

Sex happens mostly in our heads otherwise porn would not be more fun than real sex for a lot of guys.

It helps to invest in oneself so one makes peace with oneself and maybe become more attraktive to mankind in the process.

Sex (quality) was always historically a rare thing for men. Some men don't feel like men if they don't have sex. They think they lose their identity but maybe they lose their identity buy chasing sex.

I would see it like a nice hobby not like it's a religion or life and death situation. It's like workout. If you like to do it do it. If you like to push it push it. No need for dramatizing.
In the sex game "starving men" don't get fed. We've already been past that point. My point was it's better to remain social and if you are closing in on a drought to bang that babe whose not perfect, versus going into a long cycle of "jagging off". Droughts can be very tough to break, even AMS pointed this out.
 
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Mate, its not about guts. Most guys are afraid that it will be a "hearthbreaking experience" or that "paying for sex is beta-AF" or that "they will catch STD" or something. I don't have the guts to enter another LTR currently - I don't have the guts for that certainly.
If your used to babes wanting to give you puzzy, paying for it is a degredation. Plus women that you pay for don't have to desire you. I'm not a fan on relying on paid for puzzy as it can be depressing, but is a great drought breaker or occasional change up.

I tell you why I never did it so far - because it's sub-optimal choice and you are phucked more than hooker is. I have a dating market to use, I am looking good, I have hobbies, but currently I am burned out - I was so concentrated on my work and 'purpose' i.e. personal projects (apartment, working late hours, learning languages, getting additional qualifications) that I'm burned out and on dry spell. I see how my efficiency at work suffered because of that lockdown COVID s.hit and large project I was working on since several months. I didn't get a proper lay since all that time and it makes me crazy.
It makes most sexual men crazy and a bigger and UNATTRACTIVE azzhole.


I need to work on my personal life and simply change priorities for now on - except I'm thirsty AF for a decent lay and I give off this thirsty vibe currently, so its more probable that I will fail every single sh.it test thrown at me by a decent chick than pass it and I simply want a good sex - add that I am also tired of female games, flakes, ****ty behaviour, COVID, poor quality plates/LTRs etc. to the point of stress-uninstalling dating apps when I see sh.itty behaviour.
If your tired of "dating games", get a gf.

I simply want a surephuck in the next two months with beautiful body w/o a need to GIVE something connected with my mental sphere - I simply want to phuck without feeling anything else than satisfying my carnal lust. I am that thirsty that I am ready to put on the hook my belief that I shouldn't pay for it - I am simply phucktired of working, duties, constant upgrading myself, s.hit from women, taxes, working late hours etc. I have worked last 2 years to finally be able to say "damn, I am doing good" but I'm not doing good on personal level because I have totally put that on the hook since my last break up several months ago, again escaping into work.

Currently I have about 60 matches of SMV 7/8 females in a city where I moved to WORK for a several days last week. So I would like to game them but instead I AM WORKING because that's what I need to do. Yes, I decided to move here for several days to work, neverthless I am phucktired of it. It's the last big project before summer and I plan to VENT for about half a year.

Now, you could tell me - "mark, if you have such a good matches, statistics says you should score at least with one of them. so why hookers?" "are you a p.ussy? Why don't you engage them?"

and I would reply "I would score at least with 3 of them" except I will just move with my duties instead and then I will be too tired to game them and pass any ****.tests simply because LIFE.

Thus, there's another timer going - next two months - solid lay with nice as.s (will fieldreport) or HOOKER. From the top shelf.

So please spare me your "you don't have the guts". I was thinking about it since a few months, constantly telling myself "you don't need it" but I have crossed the burnout threshold months ago and didn't notice it until it was too late. I simply phucked up and COVID got me from left flank. I sincerely doubt it will end the other way around.
As long as you feel it's the more self respecting position then great.
 

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I kinda like this guy when he analyzes articles.

Here are the 2 primary articles he analyzes

‘Cheap sex’ is making men give up on marriage

Why today’s young men are terrified of sex

'Cheap sex' is a misnomer. 'Cheap sex' is only applicable to the Top 20% of men. The top 20% of men have a solid sexual buffet and no need for marriage. 100% of men have cheap sexual release, but only 20% of men have cheap partnered orgasm. The median male in the 2010s was a sexual scavenger. The median male of the 2010s had less access to sex than median male of the 1950-1965 era. 1959 median male had a docile homemaker wife with a sub 25 BMI who would give him sex consistently on 2 days a week or more. 2019 median male had sporadic access to sex, often with women above a 25 BMI, or a sexless/near sexless marriage. 2019 median male had more access to pornography and could have a cheap sexual release, despite having less access to partnered orgasm. The median male has not done as well post 2nd wave feminism.

Young men are terrified of sex partially due to the thirst issues and pornography. In pornography, you can see multiple female body types. There is only one male body type in pornography. Muscular, well hung guy. Many men do not feel good because they overindulge in porn and see muscular, well hung guy slamming a hot female. Real life doesn't often live up to it. Also, men feel that if they don't deliver the goods sexually, the woman will leave him for a guy more closely resembling what he believes is what women desires. That guy being a tall, muscular, well hung guy. Due to the surpluses of men and female hypergamy, men are often fearful of losing access to the sexual spigot, because partnered orgasm is now more expensive.
 

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Here are the 2 primary articles he analyzes

‘Cheap sex’ is making men give up on marriage

Why today’s young men are terrified of sex

'Cheap sex' is a misnomer. 'Cheap sex' is only applicable to the Top 20% of men. The top 20% of men have a solid sexual buffet and no need for marriage. 100% of men have cheap sexual release, but only 20% of men have cheap partnered orgasm. The median male in the 2010s was a sexual scavenger. The median male of the 2010s had less access to sex than median male of the 1950-1965 era. 1959 median male had a docile homemaker wife with a sub 25 BMI who would give him sex consistently on 2 days a week or more. 2019 median male had sporadic access to sex, often with women above a 25 BMI, or a sexless/near sexless marriage. 2019 median male had more access to pornography and could have a cheap sexual release, despite having less access to partnered orgasm. The median male has not done as well post 2nd wave feminism.

Young men are terrified of sex partially due to the thirst issues and pornography. In pornography, you can see multiple female body types. There is only one male body type in pornography. Muscular, well hung guy. Many men do not feel good because they overindulge in porn and see muscular, well hung guy slamming a hot female. Real life doesn't often live up to it. Also, men feel that if they don't deliver the goods sexually, the woman will leave him for a guy more closely resembling what he believes is what women desires. That guy being a tall, muscular, well hung guy. Due to the surpluses of men and female hypergamy, men are often fearful of losing access to the sexual spigot, because partnered orgasm is now more expensive.
So the avg married man is no longer the 2 x a week? 15-20 yrs ago i used to laugh at the lowly 2x a week number and i could see some of the marrieds were sexless. So now the stats say MOST married men are sexless or near sexless?
 
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