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article: Many young men are shunning sex. Is it because feminism and #MeToo are constant reminders of the inferiority of male identity?

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I completely agree. Most men turn to porn and fapping when their sex life is non-existent. At one point in time, I had to eliminate porn and fapping from my life. It was the most difficult thing I've ever done. The dopamine hit from porn and fapping is supposedly more addictive than certain recreational drugs.
It's like drinking a bottle of Hennesy everytime these thoughts come up, further digging your hole...
 

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It's like drinking a bottle of Hennesy everytime these thoughts come up, further digging your hole...
It's probably better for sexless men to go down the overconsumption of alcohol path than the overconsumption of porn and accompanying fapping path.

The original article posted is evidence of the primary problem we're seeing the sexual marketplace. There's an terribly uneven distribution of vagina.
 

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I completely agree. Most men turn to porn and fapping when their sex life is non-existent. At one point in time, I had to eliminate porn and fapping from my life. It was the most difficult thing I've ever done. The dopamine hit from porn and fapping is supposedly more addictive than certain recreational drugs.
After the dopamine hit, there is also the "crash" and hit to the guy's self-esteem afterwards.

They think, "Ugh. While other guys are with real women, I wasted time watching this lol."
 

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After the dopamine hit, there is also the "crash" and hit to the guy's self-esteem afterwards.

They think, "Ugh. While other guys are with real women, I wasted time watching this lol."
I never really noticed the crash in the time in my life before I eliminated porn and fapping. When you watch porn and fap, your original starting point is already bad. In a lot of cases, your approaches aren't going well, and the rejections are piling up. The porn/fap cycle doesn't help the cause in getting you laid more. The focus should be the self-improvement needed to slay a vag of similar quality to the top tier porn starlets.
 

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Porn and fapping are a strong lid on a pressure cooker. So long as that lid holds, society is safe.

Sex - and not starfish sex with a 5 - is a release valve on that pressure cooker.

I would not recommend nofap to those guys liable to shoot up schools, concerts, shopping malls.
 

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No its because they have low testosterone and with every generation of male it drops lower and lower.

This is not an opinion its been researched quite a bit and is pretty much fact. It has gotten so bad that Quest has lowered its normal testosterone range for males so that more people are considered "normal" even when they are low...
 

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No its because they have low testosterone and with every generation of male it drops lower and lower.

This is not an opinion its been researched quite a bit and is pretty much fact. It has gotten so bad that Quest has lowered its normal testosterone range for males so that more people are considered "normal" even when they are low...
Well most medical organization do not consider right values those values that allow a man to be top performing.

What they do is measure test levels of some thousands guys, make the average and say that the normal range in within a ratio, technically when they say to a low T guy that his levels are "normal" they are no lying to him.

The problem is that being lazy, scared, weak and chubby is considered a lesser problems from the medical community.
 

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After the dopamine hit, there is also the "crash" and hit to the guy's self-esteem afterwards.

They think, "Ugh. While other guys are with real women, I wasted time watching this lol."
What about if you are almost fapping exclusively to escorts/prostitutes? Isn't the dialogue, while other guys are paying money for that and potentially catching STDs, Covid-19, and demons, and inconveniencing themselves, all I have to do is just change my underware and forget that ever happened?
 

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No its because they have low testosterone and with every generation of male it drops lower and lower.

This is not an opinion its been researched quite a bit and is pretty much fact. It has gotten so bad that Quest has lowered its normal testosterone range for males so that more people are considered "normal" even when they are low...
There are many environmental factors that cause low testosterone. Immense immersion in porn and fap are a part of low testosterone.

Porn and fapping are a strong lid on a pressure cooker. So long as that lid holds, society is safe.

Sex - and not starfish sex with a 5 - is a release valve on that pressure cooker.

I would not recommend nofap to those guys liable to shoot up schools, concerts, shopping malls.
Porn and fap are a satiation upon the sexual marketplace. Too many guys who are sexual market rejects turn to porn and fap to feel acceptance and feel good (the dopamine hit). However, it is a fleeting high because it does nothing to solve the sexual marketplace rejection. While I am of the belief that female hypergamy is out of control, causing too many men to be rejects, men as a whole are not doing enough to help their own causes. Avoiding porn, fap, and other environmental toxins are necessary to at least attempt to be competitive in the sexual access marketplace.

I would recommend no porn and no fap to everyone. The cycle of porn and fap is just far too negative.
 

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There are many environmental factors that cause low testosterone. Immense immersion in porn and fap are a part of low testosterone.



Porn and fap are a satiation upon the sexual marketplace. Too many guys who are sexual market rejects turn to porn and fap to feel acceptance and feel good (the dopamine hit). However, it is a fleeting high because it does nothing to solve the sexual marketplace rejection. While I am of the belief that female hypergamy is out of control, causing too many men to be rejects, men as a whole are not doing enough to help their own causes. Avoiding porn, fap, and other environmental toxins are necessary to at least attempt to be competitive in the sexual access marketplace.

I would recommend no porn and no fap to everyone. The cycle of porn and fap is just far too negative.
That would be like 0.00005% of why they have low T.

The estrogenization of the environment with xenoestrogens and phytoestrogens everywhere you turn with plastics, pesticides, soy products, etc literally wreaks havoc on the male endocrine system from birth...so many of these kids were given soy formula at birth which has basically caused a giant hormonal imbalance that may never be fully rectified.

Poor diet only enhances this issue as does excessive fat which is very estrogenic in and of itself, creating a negative feedback loop where more fat cells produce more estrogen which in turn drives T down lower and produces more fat.

Jacking off to porn is literally 99th on the list of 100 reasons why these kids have low T
 

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Well most medical organization do not consider right values those values that allow a man to be top performing.

What they do is measure test levels of some thousands guys, make the average and say that the normal range in within a ratio, technically when they say to a low T guy that his levels are "normal" they are no lying to him.

The problem is that being lazy, scared, weak and chubby is considered a lesser problems from the medical community.
The problem is the medical community only is concerned with normal and not optimal. If you are 1 point into the low normal range how the hell is that considered the same as someone 400 points higher?

But yet they treat them the same.
 

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The problem is the medical community only is concerned with normal and not optimal. If you are 1 point into the low normal range how the hell is that considered the same as someone 400 points higher?

But yet they treat them the same.
Well we agree that generally doctors have no skills beyond fixing someone that is sick...optimizaton is far from their plans and probably they dont even know how.

Not sure where you are but if your country has a public healthcare those doctors dont get paid from you but get paid from the government with your tax money which means that if they suck they still get paid even if you change professional.

I quit dealing with the family doctor cause he basically didnt bother to update his knowledge, he doesnt have to, he doesnt need to as long as enough sick people go to him and he makes them a little less sick.

God help you if you happen to have low test symptoms and talk with an average doctor, the answer is the standard "you're fine, its all in your head everything is in place also you're not 18 anymore".

As long as someone is not visibly sick to them he is as good as possible.
 

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I'm not really surprised by any of this, in fact I actually think sexlessness is even more prevalent than what we are seeing on those stats.

I'm a bit older, 30 years old, and a significant number of other men I know who are plus or minus a few years my age fall into one of these 2 categories if they are not in a serious relationship or married.

1. Men that rarely date and have virtually no sex life. Some of these men are what you'd picture when the word incel comes to mind, out of shape, not very attractive, etc. However, I know of a lot of guys who are otherwise normal looking guys that fall into this category, ranging from average to even attractive. These are normal guys, meaning they have personalities, work, are at least somewhat normal socially, etc.

2. Men that sleep with tons of women. Some of these guys are attractive but I've also met and know of several that aren't good looking at all. There is one guy I know who is a slayer and is the polar opposite of this chad nonsense. He is a 25 year old from India going to university and is around 6'tall and quite overweight. I think men like this have a combination of certain personality traits with simply being in the right environment to meet tons of stupid women.

I can't say what the exact reasoning for all of this is by I feel it is due to several different factors. Many women are super delusional today and have literally no clue. I'm 6'4" and lift regularly and seen no results at speed dating events with barely average women, been rejected by 4s at a bar, etc. I haven't been on a date in about a year and the last sexual activity I had was with a higher end escort back in February. I can't imagine what it's like for your averageish guy out there if I struggle.

You think some average but decent guy out there who is getting no matches on tinder and gets rejected constantly by women that aren't even that cute is going to have the desire to keep trying? Stuff like this is draining on your self esteem and mental health and there is only so much one can reasonably take. Logically these men are devoting more of their time to things like video games, working out, career, etc.
 

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I can't imagine what it's like for your averageish guy out there if I struggle.
This is what I've been thinking of too. If I can't get shyt then what the fvck is the average guy gonna do? lol.

I think for these guys it's just a more stark version of what it's already like for us. They either have to meet women through acquaintances, or they need to be incredibly extroverted and genuinely enjoy hustling through the numbers game like it's their job until they finally whack some mole. If I went out to pubs all the time I'd probably get laid every once in a while too but I don't have the proclivity for it, and so that's on me.

The fact is that our society or culture just isn't set up in a way that facilitates single men and women meeting, just like it doesn't teach men the skills they need to be successful with women. OLD doesn't count as a way for singles to meet, for reasons we already know.
 
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That would be like 0.00005% of why they have low T.

The estrogenization of the environment with xenoestrogens and phytoestrogens everywhere you turn with plastics, pesticides, soy products, etc literally wreaks havoc on the male endocrine system from birth...so many of these kids were given soy formula at birth which has basically caused a giant hormonal imbalance that may never be fully rectified.

Poor diet only enhances this issue as does excessive fat which is very estrogenic in and of itself, creating a negative feedback loop where more fat cells produce more estrogen which in turn drives T down lower and produces more fat.

Jacking off to porn is literally 99th on the list of 100 reasons why these kids have low T
I agree that there are environmental estrogens. If one chooses to do no porn and no fap, that has to be combined with no soy products and no processed foods, and a strict fitness regimen. While doing all of that will be good for testosterone, it does not guarantee access to the vag. It does make a man better positioned to get some vag.

Porn and fap does reduce the motivation to approach and can also have sexual side effects once in bed.

I'm not really surprised by any of this, in fact I actually think sexlessness is even more prevalent than what we are seeing on those stats.

I'm a bit older, 30 years old, and a significant number of other men I know who are plus or minus a few years my age fall into one of these 2 categories if they are not in a serious relationship or married.

1. Men that rarely date and have virtually no sex life. Some of these men are what you'd picture when the word incel comes to mind, out of shape, not very attractive, etc. However, I know of a lot of guys who are otherwise normal looking guys that fall into this category, ranging from average to even attractive. These are normal guys, meaning they have personalities, work, are at least somewhat normal socially, etc.

2. Men that sleep with tons of women. Some of these guys are attractive but I've also met and know of several that aren't good looking at all. There is one guy I know who is a slayer and is the polar opposite of this chad nonsense. He is a 25 year old from India going to university and is around 6'tall and quite overweight. I think men like this have a combination of certain personality traits with simply being in the right environment to meet tons of stupid women.

I can't say what the exact reasoning for all of this is by I feel it is due to several different factors. Many women are super delusional today and have literally no clue. I'm 6'4" and lift regularly and seen no results at speed dating events with barely average women, been rejected by 4s at a bar, etc. I haven't been on a date in about a year and the last sexual activity I had was with a higher end escort back in February. I can't imagine what it's like for your averageish guy out there if I struggle.

You think some average but decent guy out there who is getting no matches on tinder and gets rejected constantly by women that aren't even that cute is going to have the desire to keep trying? Stuff like this is draining on your self esteem and mental health and there is only so much one can reasonably take. Logically these men are devoting more of their time to things like video games, working out, career, etc.
People have less sex than we think. Statistics reflect this viewpoint.

Most people 28-40 are in a relationship or married at any given point in time. The longer term relationships often have limited sex too.

In the 2 categories below, more men would fall into Category 1. I am astounded at the story of that overweight Indian guy getting a lot of action. How is that possible?

If you are 6'4" and lift regularly, you should be getting more action. I can understand reduced action in a pandemic period, but it seems like there were pre-pandemic issues with you. Why were you not approaching on that university campus? 30 year old guys can definitely go to campus and do approaches. I would avoid speed dating events but be concerned about what's happening at the bars with 4s. At 6'4" and fit, you should be getting vag from 6+ women. What's going in your city? Some cities are just generally worse than others.
 

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In the 2 categories below, more men would fall into Category 1. I am astounded at the story of that overweight Indian guy getting a lot of action. How is that possible?

If you are 6'4" and lift regularly, you should be getting more action. I can understand reduced action in a pandemic period, but it seems like there were pre-pandemic issues with you. Why were you not approaching on that university campus? 30 year old guys can definitely go to campus and do approaches. I would avoid speed dating events but be concerned about what's happening at the bars with 4s. At 6'4" and fit, you should be getting vag from 6+ women. What's going in your city? Some cities are just generally worse than others.
That is exactly what I thought when I heard the guy was a slayer haha. He isn't a friend of mine but I've spent a lot of time around him in social gatherings and he is an interesting case and I truly feel is an outlier. He has a very outgoing personality, is very popular socially and goes out A LOT. Like I said previously, I think men like this have a particular set of personality traits and are by chance in the right environment with the right people to be able to pull this off.
 

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Not really. The stupidest thing you can do is to abstain from fapping and go with the "I need to get a woman NOW" mindset. Most of the time you will end with the most available option - it reminds me when I was nofap and got drunk about 7 years ago on the office party and next thing I remember I am phucking this SMV 5.5/10 chick wild and couldn't *** because I was too drunk even for that. Imagine my next day at work.

Porn, fapping, etc. its all ok in small doses, no one should fap everyday if single. When you are ready for another relationship in terms of time, quality of life, mindset - cut fapping and porn and start hunting.

That's how women do and it works for them. Guys can do the same thing and don't be sorry about poor choices regarding mates.
Excess Fapping ends up substituting sex and real companionship and fvcks up your real response around women.
 

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As women sort themselves into soft harems with Chad and society goes back to a polygynous mating structure as there was in the earlier days of agriculture, when the proportion of male DNA that was passed on basically reached a genetic bottleneck, this will indeed become the case for men.

If women sort themselves into hypergamous soft harems with apex males, then the non-apex males have to fight with each other like rats over the discarded leftovers and castoffs trickling down from the dinner table, and these leavings will in turn be taken by the remaining males with the highest smv who in assortative mating terms will indeed have "settled" for these women. A few men will have harems, and most men will be living in some form of scarcity or another.
This is horrifying lol but true. Sometimes i hate getting older. But I am glad that I grew up in an era where it was still somewhat possible for an average guy to get laid. Now the young men these days are totally screwed.

I was 17 when facebook really started to get popular so it wasnt too bad back then. Great post btw bro.
 
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