"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Are women with kids worth fvcking?

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Not dating, but only fwb type of thing at most. I've never banged a woman with kids; am I missing out? Are they an easier and better lay or more work than they're worth?
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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If you can do it with minimal effort and keep them plate status only, do it. That's way easier said than done. It's a solid policy to stick with childless women only.
 

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What I always liked about single moms is there are times when they are wrapped up in their kids and they stay out of my hair. Their attention was focused somewhere other than me. When their ex had their kids then they were always down for spending lots of quality time. They could relax and let loose. Always made for a good time.

If you are needy, dependent, and not flexible then you will be frustrated. Things pop up, plans change, their kids are priority #1. It won't be you I promise.

I've always found single moms to have more traits that are beneficial to a guy (nurturing, thoughtful, pleasing, ability to cook) than women with no kids and don't want kids. Some of the women I've dated that didn't have kids and didn't want kids tend to be a little more career focused, more selfish, not as nurturing, more independent, could not cook.

Those same traits that moms have that make them good at taking care of kids also make them good at taking care of their man.

Just don't get too involved where you have to help raise their kids.
 
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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What Howiestern said. And if the kids are there fine, or if they come over fine, but it's important that they are
Genuinely respectful. If they act like you're the reason mom broke up with dad. Game over immediately. Lots of
Kids act like the Devil because you're a boyfriend. Not a chance!
 

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If you have no kids of your own, or if they’ve flown the coop then no. If you have custody of children, then yes. They tend to be quite grateful and down for anything. Make sure you’re wrapping it.
 
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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What I always liked about single moms is there are times when they are wrapped up in their kids and they stay out of my hair. Their attention was focused somewhere other than me. When their ex had their kids then they were always down for spending lots of quality time. They could relax and let loose. Always made for a good time.

If you are needy, dependent, and not flexible then you will be frustrated. Things pop up, plans change, their kids are priority #1. It won't be you I promise.

I've always found single moms to have more traits that are beneficial to a guy (nurturing, thoughtful, pleasing, ability to cook) than women with no kids and don't want kids. Some of the women I've dated that didn't have kids and didn't want kids tend to be a little more career focused, more selfish, not as nurturing, more independent, could not cook.

Those same traits that moms have that make them good at taking care of kids also make them good at taking care of their man.

Just don't get too involved where you have to help raise their kids.
Yes this all the way. Maintain frame with the raramount rule that you are not a cuck who's going to raise her children. Always keep in mind that single moms are often looking for a beta to help raise their kids and provide resources. You can have a relationship, yes, but with very clear hard boundaries.
 

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Not dating, but only fwb type of thing at most. I've never banged a woman with kids; am I missing out? Are they an easier and better lay or more work than they're worth?
I dont discriminate. I try not to lose opportunities. Your questions:
1) are you missing out? Yes, but it is nothing from heaven.
2)Are they an easier and better lay or more work than they're worth? Yes and No, and No. I speak from my experience. They are easier to lay, but I am not sure about better. Better than who? No, they are not more work than they are worth. If so, she needs to go the fk off.
Also, if you want to commit, you will never be first in priority, you will never replace the father, and you can never discipline the children.
 

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Single mothers know that their SMV is lower than that of a woman with no kids, if they're not delusional then they're easier.

Are you missing out on anything? No not really. If a baby has been pushed out, she's not going to be as tight as a woman who hasn't had kids.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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If a baby has been pushed out, she's not going to be as tight as a woman who hasn't had kids.
This is not what he asked. He asked about investment and worth.
Anyway, this is not always the case,but it is a possible condition, and not always probable, but not unlikely either. It depends mainly on how long ago she gave birth. However, age could be a factor and some times not.
The Kama Sutra's three sizes of male and female genitalia:
Male Kama Sutra Sizes:
  • Hare (Small)
  • Bull (Medium)
  • Horse (Large)
Female Kama Sutra Sizes:
  • Deer (Small)
  • Mare (Medium)
  • Elephant (Large)
 

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Women with kids are by far the easiest to sleep with. They're agreeable and are not always looking for a provider. Some are just looking to get laid.
 

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What I always liked about single moms is there are times when they are wrapped up in their kids and they stay out of my hair. Their attention was focused somewhere other than me. When their ex had their kids then they were always down for spending lots of quality time. They could relax and let loose. Always made for a good time.

If you are needy, dependent, and not flexible then you will be frustrated. Things pop up, plans change, their kids are priority #1. It won't be you I promise.

I've always found single moms to have more traits that are beneficial to a guy (nurturing, thoughtful, pleasing, ability to cook) than women with no kids and don't want kids. Some of the women I've dated that didn't have kids and didn't want kids tend to be a little more career focused, more selfish, not as nurturing, more independent, could not cook.
The childless man has a dilemma here.

The nurturing, thougtful, pleasing, and able to cook attributes are desirable girlfriend attributes. However, the presence of a child is not. Therefore, the childless man often prefers the option of the childless woman, who has more free time but then the downsides of careerism and less nurturing characteristics.

I think the childless man is better off with the childless woman despite her lack of nurturing characteristics.
 

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The childless man has a dilemma here.

The nurturing, thougtful, pleasing, and able to cook attributes are desirable girlfriend attributes. However, the presence of a child is not. Therefore, the childless man often prefers the option of the childless woman, who has more free time but then the downsides of careerism and less nurturing characteristics.

I think the childless man is better off with the childless woman despite her lack of nurturing characteristics.
I'm exactly that. Some days I question what I have.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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