"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Find out her name and leave a review for her practice detailing this behavior LMAO
This is about a different girl. I was writing about a crazy woman who prompted my first post on Sosuave. I'm sure the psychiatrist has some issues, but she doesn't seem as bad as this one.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Asking her out wasn't possible. She would ignore all my attempts to initiate convo. Even a simple wave or "Hi" would be ignored.

Any sporadic communication would be initiated by her and be on her terms, and she would end the interaction before anything could escalate. She even hit on me a couple of times. Gave me the "eyes," and when I went up to her and tried to say something she looked down at the ground as if to say "Go away now." She was clearly doing this on purpose. One of the most bizarre interactions with the opposite sex I've ever had.

I'm guessing the reason she warmed up to me before she left is to leave the door open in case Plan A didn't work out.
Another interesting thing: a few days after she hit on me, I saw her hanging out with a guy with definite boyfriend energy.
 

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Another interesting thing: a few days after she hit on me, I saw her hanging out with a guy with definite boyfriend energy.
Are you in SoCal OP?
 

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No, SF Bay Area
Tough field to play in. Best of luck. Sac town girls may be easier if you don't mind the drive. Farm girls can get easily bored.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Asking her out wasn't possible. She would ignore all my attempts to initiate convo. Even a simple wave or "Hi" would be ignored.

Any sporadic communication would be initiated by her and be on her terms, and she would end the interaction before anything could escalate. She even hit on me a couple of times. Gave me the "eyes," and when I went up to her and tried to say something she looked down at the ground as if to say "Go away now." She was clearly doing this on purpose. One of the most bizarre interactions with the opposite sex I've ever had.

I'm guessing the reason she warmed up to me before she left is to leave the door open in case Plan A didn't work out.
Omg, quit giving this girl attention
 

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Omg, quit giving this girl attention
OP lives in the hardest metro to game in the US. This is a typical woman's behavior there. He probably needs to relocate if women are a high priority for him.
 

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The first thing we do when we meet someone is we decide if they are attractive or not. This is superficial and based on how they appear and present themselves. What people think is attractive is different for everyone. What I believe is attractive is different from what others think this is attractive. If someone does not think another is attractive, nothing is going to happen. It's simple math, any number multiplied by zero is zero.

Now this is an oversimplification, since when you meet someone (man or woman), it is a continuum not a black/white evaluation. But when you meet someone, you place them in a quadrant, are they 'useful' or are they 'fun'. People can be fun/useful; fun/NOT useful, NOT fun/useful, NOT fun/NOT useful. What someone considers 'fun' and 'useful' will change with each person who evaluates others.

What I consider 'fun' is going to be different with someone else. Likewise, what I consider 'useful' will also be different with others.

Having said that, back to the OP topic:

When you are engaging with a woman you are interested in romantically, it is always best to be perceived as fun because even if someone is fun but not necessarily useful is still worth spending time with... even if it is short term. Now you have no idea what any particular woman thinks is fun... so be and do things you think is fun... then she gets to decide if she wants to go along with that.

When you tap dance around trying to figure out what you are going to do... well that's not fun. Right now the OP is agonizing over what he should do... agony is not fun. Be a confident fun guy doing what you like to do. Then date and see if you can find women that fit you.

Here is what sane single women want:

fun/useful: This is the guy all sane women want.

fun/NOT useful: Good for going out, short term entertainment. She might date this man and shape him into something useful.

NOT fun/useful: Women will settle for this under certain circumstances.... she will try to make you into something she considers fun.

NOT fun/NOT useful: No sane woman wants this.

When you meet someone... be fun rather than trying to demonstrate usefulness. Usefulness is boring. We all want useful people in our lives but when that comes with boredom that gets old.
 

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@RangerMIke "When you tap dance around trying to figure out what you are going to do... well that's not fun. Right now the OP is agonizing over what he should do... agony is not fun. Be a confident fun guy doing what you like to do"

Being coy and bashful CAN be enduring when practiced by really young gents, like so 5:03-7:04

I can only infer, based on what OP has shared, that he is NOT in his tweens-early 20s anymore, ergo his approach appears indecisive and weak. Which dries out a vijayjay faster than sending kids off to K-12, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, extinguishes any affinity for learning they might have
 

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OP lives in the hardest metro to game in the US. This is a typical woman's behavior there. He probably needs to relocate if women are a high priority for him.
Nowhere is harder than Nashville, Tn lol. You have to look like Riley Green or Orlando Bloom to have a shot at a 5 there.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I'm guessing all this hot-and-cold/on-off behavior is just part of the game nowadays? I don't remember women being like this when I was younger, but now it happens to me all the time--not just IRL but on apps too.

In fact, my first post on this forum was about a (surfer) girl who would talk-to/flirt-with/hit-on me on an intermittent basis for months. One day acting all into me; the next ignoring me if I tried to talk to her. She'd come back in a couple weeks and do it all again--over and over for months. I can't believe I actually entertained this nonsense for so long.

The weird thing was, even though she'd be rude and ignore me if I talked to her, she'd hover around me and constantly stare. She'd do all the things dating gurus talk about: mirror my behavior; laugh at my (even not funny) antics; hair flipping; talking loudly with her friends...it was all there, but she wouldn't mess with me beyond that.

Eventually I pretty much told her to pound sand and ignored her after that (she continued to stare tho). She chose somebody else (or maybe he was in the picture the whole time?) and moved to a different city, but right before she left she just came up to me one day and talked for like an hour. And she actually looked sad when she left. Go figure.

Maybe it's all the options girls have these days? And they just string along a "bull pen" of dudes that they pick the best out of? Maybe I should just stop interacting with surfer chicks? Who knows? LOL
It is not. Even though "plate theory" is traditionally taught as a masculine framework designed to build an abundance mindset, women are the natural plate spinners. The underlying logic is even rooted in historical courtship where women would entertain multiple suitors while evaluating who was the best option before being exclusive with them. They would accept attention, dates, gifts, and attention from several men simultaneously, which allowed them to compare their characteristics before deciding who they wanted to commit to.

In that sense, this girl may have been attracted to you, but attraction clearly wasn't enough for her to pursue anything.

Nonetheless, keeping multiple options open isn't some new behavior created by dating apps. The thing is modern dating has made the process far easier and more visible.
 

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Being coy and bashful CAN be enduring when practiced by really young gents, like so 5:03-7:04

I can only infer, based on what OP has shared, that he is NOT in his tweens-early 20s anymore, ergo his approach appears indecisive and weak. Which dries out a vijayjay faster than sending kids off to K-12, 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, extinguishes any affinity for learning they might have
Good point. Younger men can pull this off, and it comes off as cute. For me in my 50s... I might as spray on female repellant.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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She moved away. I have this feeling she'll be back--somewhere, somehow--though.
Like a serial dater who can't quit her favorite/most hated app, most likely
 

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Like a serial dater who can't quit her favorite/most hated app, most likely
Like a river that don't know where it's flowing, she took a wrong turn and now doesn't know where she's going. Everyone's got a hungry heart
 

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It's happened more than a few times: girl who "played" me comes back to "check in" like nothing ever happened. One has done it like three times already.

I'm gonna start ignoring them from now on, I think, because nothing ever comes of it.
 

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Interesting development: she has a boyfriend, and he's not new. I'm guessing she was bored and just messing with me or that she was thinking of breaking up with him.

That explains the weirdness. Stuff like this happens so often that my default these days is: weird behavior = other dude in the picture.
 

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Interesting development: she has a boyfriend, and he's not new. I'm guessing she was bored and just messing with me or that she was thinking of breaking up with him.

That explains the weirdness. Stuff like this happens so often that my default these days is: weird behavior = other dude in the picture.
There you go, and now you have your answer. Women who show low interest are often that way simply because they are not interested, have a man, have other priorities, or are self-sufficient enough that their needs can be met on their own rather than by someone else. Sadly, if she was attracted to you, the pull wasn’t strong enough for her to monkey branch to you.

The post I linked earlier in the thread goes a little deeper into this, and it also provides advice on what to do if she is not interested in you right now.

https://www.sosuave.com/quick/what-to-do-if-shes-not-interested-in-you.htm
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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