Cheeky_James
Master Don Juan
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You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
No, because ugliness is global. A 300lbs Landwhale will disgust you, even if that's all that's available in your locale. The landwhale with the longest hair doesn't become a "10" if all the others have short hair. She's still a 2/10 > 1/10.Attractiveness is relative and tied to constraints of access. If you were confined to a limited environment,( like say just within your neighbourhood or small town), then the best looking girl in town… is the 10 no?
A "5" Is an OK looking woman to me. She certainly won't be fat. This is a "5" to me:You guys should use the same grading scale video game reviewers use: 10 = masterpiece, 9 = amazing, 8 = great, 7 = good, and 6 = okay. Anything below 6 is unplayable.
I never said the 300lb landwhale becomes a 10.No, because ugliness is global. A 300lbs Landwhale will disgust you, even if that's all that's available in your locale. The landwhale with the longest hair doesn't become a "10" if all the others have short hair. She's still a 2/10 > 1/10.
Evolution will take tens of thousands of years. Your ancestors preferred fit, slim, active young women who could forage for berries and food, collect crops, walk 2 miles to a water well/source and 2 miles back each day. Thats why today most of us prefer that slim-fit look/build and youthful mothers means healthier babies with less chance of defects.
People like you a weird man.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Just look at history. Even fat noble women lost to a pretty peasant girl. The fact women are so fat today is very abnormal for the human species. Being fat was a last resort for fending against the winter and starvation. Today, they are fat regardless of the safe environment. It is sad. I am seeing so many fat and chubby women that it's making me hate western women more and more. And unfortunately, it has the double effect of inflating the egos of any skinny woman, which makes things worse for the dating market. Basically, women are winning regardless cause there's always a man ready to **** a woman no matter how fat she is. Just look at any fat woman walking around walmart with kids. Someone hit that.This is completely subjective man to man -- although there are probably certain women who would be considered "beautiful" by most if not all men. But yes -- for me this particular difference in the scale is a big one. A 6/10 is typically one I am good to sleep with. A 5/10 I am usually not good to sleep with. Generally, weight is the biggest factor in moving women around the HB scale for me -- with their faces being the second biggest factor. Being over-weight drives women down the scale very quickly for me in terms of my attraction to them.
I think women would say men have gone wrong too.Just look at history. Even fat noble women lost to a pretty peasant girl. The fact women are so fat today is very abnormal for the human species. Being fat was a last resort for fending against the winter and starvation. Today, they are fat regardless of the safe environment. It is sad. I am seeing so many fat and chubby women that it's making me hate western women more and more. And unfortunately, it has the double effect of inflating the egos of any skinny woman, which makes things worse for the dating market. Basically, women are winning regardless cause there's always a man ready to **** a woman no matter how fat she is. Just look at any fat woman walking around walmart with kids. Someone hit that.
I said my 5/10 example could be rated a 6/10 due to makeup. But thats due to makeup enhancing features - darkening eyebrows, skin foundation, lipstick, mascara. Also a tight dress on a slim body, and spending hours on hair is gonna add to improvement on smv.I never said the 300lb landwhale becomes a 10.
I meant attractiveness is relative , it’s subjective and there is bias , variance and distortion in any’ beauty scale.’
Attractiveness has ties to culture.
And time period. (The ideal body shape has changed over time ) There’s a lot of aspects to it being ‘relative.’
Even your 5 could maybe be a 6 you say
So there’s relative movement already. Right there.
Other examples of issues
-Should chicks be rated looking their best , or most natural ?
-If she was a different ethnicity would you still rate her the same..? black, Asian etc
re the title of the post - a 1 ‘point’ difference is 10% increase.
So it should be subtle per the % increase ..
not a ‘ large jump’ for anyone using the scale.
It’s a redundant question in the title then.
I’d like to see your individual examples for 6,7,8,9,10 btw .just out of curiousity. I find it hard to grade point-to -point personally, there’s so many factors .
I generally rate women when they are looking their best mate - and they generally put their best out there right? Then being obsessed with beauty and fashion. And basically never wanting to be seen in trackies , sans make up.I said my 5/10 example could be rated a 6/10 due to makeup. But thats due to makeup enhancing features - darkening eyebrows, skin foundation, lipstick, mascara. Also a tight dress on a slim body, and spending hours on hair is gonna add to improvement on smv.
Mia Goth with and without makeup. Big difference, eh? Some guys would rate her a 4 without makeup and a 6-7 with makeup. that's a big jump. Men do not have such things to boost SMV like makeup does to women.
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No its not me in that WW video. I'm a 48yo man.Btw Was that you in that WW dating experiment video? If so have you updated your pics yet.
I see WW has , after taking PWFs tips, and it’s much improved imo. Just sayin..
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
The data from BP does look pretty bad I have to admit. Im lucky I am a boomer also and lived my best years pre internet .. thats really fvcked society and it’s Its outta control.No its not me in that WW video. I'm a 48yo man.
Wheat reminds me of myself 20 years ago. He was right to move out of the UK to Poland, the market here in the UK is heavily shifted to allow women to date up in looks.
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Most Men Marry Overweight Women
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Women are the reason men are broke.I think women would say men have gone wrong too.
Scruffy, unkempt, drink/drugs/prescriptions & still renting in his 30s or 40s, getting a tattoo or PCP car on debt as a sticking plaster to cover up the soyboy.
It's not difficult to be in the top 10-20%.
Look at dating apps. A woman who is slim/healthy weighted with an average face gets Goddess & Supermodel treatment on those damn apps, as well as social media. Why would she date a guy in her league when she has 6ft2 Chads with 9/10 looks, or guys in the top 4% of men sliding into her DMs. I'm sure every average guy (non-fat) has created a fake female account with an average woman (non-fat) and then uploaded it to say Hinge, Bumble, Okcupid, tinder etc and it doesn't rain men, it pours. Sometimes 1000+ men in 48 hours. And this is average non-fat chicks, not baddies who are 7+ in Looks.The data from BP does look pretty bad I have to admit. Im lucky I am a boomer also and lived my best years pre internet .. thats really fvcked society and it’s Its outta control.
re the men settling - is there hard data tho? That men are settling even more in the last decade or whatever , that it’s actually an upward trend?
Would definitely tap.That's the takeaway that I got from that too. That thread demonstrated how different people are, and I think one of the reasons why people on here butt heads with one another; it's just simply because each person has their own needs and wants.
Sicily Rose is a celebrity, she's currently 20 and I believe she's 18 in this video. I'd say she's my example of 10/10.
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LOL, I've done this with PlentyOfFish. I put a very harpy profile there - with the gal saying that she thinks that she deserves getting taken out to dine at a very high-tier restaurants, and I got 200 messages per day, almost all saying that they would have no problem taking her to such a restaurant.I'm sure every average guy (non-fat) has created a fake female account with an average woman (non-fat) and then uploaded it to say Hinge, Bumble, Okcupid, tinder etc and it doesn't rain men, it pours. Sometimes 1000+ men in 48 hours. And this is average non-fat chicks, not baddies who are 7+ in Looks.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
I once had just a picture of Tree, put her age at 53, and an empty Bio and got 100 men a week message her on POF.LOL, I've done this with PlentyOfFish. I put a very harpy profile there - with the gal saying that she thinks that she deserves getting taken out to dine at a very high-tier restaurants, and I got 200 messages per day, almost all saying that they would have no problem taking her to such a restaurant.