"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Friendzone and "best friends make best lovers"

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The friendzone is a state that is created when our behavior is not aligned with the outcome we want.

This video explains it very well

Once the first step—the choice—is successfully made, and you're not considered just a friend but his boyfriend, how should you behave correctly for a LTR, and how does that differ from your original behavior in the first instance?

For example, they also say "best friends make best lovers" https://www.quora.com/Why-do-our-friends-make-the-best-relationship-partners

also
stating that relationships fail because one partner doesnt satisfy the desire/urge to be understood.
I don't think my grandma was understood by my grandpa, but they managed to trive 70 years togheter.

Make light on this.
 
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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The friendzone is a state that is created when our behavior is not aligned with the outcome we want
Really?!!! I was under the impression that this was the portion of the field that's right next to the In Zone
 

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Some people get comfortable and would rather settle than start over. That's how relationships used to work far more than they do today.

That's when the two people essentially became roommates and the bedroom was deader than a doornail.
 

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I'm going with "familiarity breeds contempt"
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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The friendzone is a state that is created when our behavior is not aligned with the outcome we want.

This video explains it very well

Once the first step—the choice—is successfully made, and you're not considered just a friend but his boyfriend, how should you behave correctly for a LTR, and how does that differ from your original behavior in the first instance?

For example, they also say "best friends make best lovers" https://www.quora.com/Why-do-our-friends-make-the-best-relationship-partners

also
stating that relationships fail because one partner doesnt satisfy the desire/urge to be understood.
I don't think my grandma was understood by my grandpa, but they managed to trive 70 years togheter.

Make light on this.
Lol doesn't Italian Culture tell their men to "suck it up" when dealing with their haglike and nagging women? There's not much to understanding Italian Women, the veneration of the virgin mary by the catholic church drives them insane. Because they're not supposed to phuck, they channel their sexual energy into fashion, food, and drama.
 
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The friendzone strategy can take years to succeed and even then there’s no guarantee of success. If you want to pursue this approach I would invest absolutely bare minimal effort (e.g. texts/calls/catchups just a few times a year if that) and make sure you pursue other options. Don’t get oneitis with someone in the friendzone category, it’s a recipe for disappointment.
 

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Lol doesn't Italian Culture tell their men to "suck it up" when dealing with their haglike and nagging women? There's not much to understanding Italian Women, the veneration of the virgin mary by the catholic church drives them insane. Because they're not supposed to phuck, they channel their sexual energy into fashion, food, and drama.
Very true, for the most cases, but there are many LTR's in which a woman is dominated in every aspect.. and believe me.. she will still cheat on his husband.
Work on yourself. Female friends will eventually make a move if they see changes.
This happened to me, and other than IOI's and other things, I started to see that those women behaviour changed a bit. Just to cite an example, a old women friend would no more touch me or hug me like she have done before, and so, have a masculine behaviour, but instead now she's so feminine and submissive in my presence.
So, also women change their behaviour accordingly to our current person. The "Who you are right now".
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I do agree with this sentiment.

The only caveat about being best friends is that best friends can have the most vicious fights - but you typically don’t fvck your male best friend and make up like it’s going to be Armageddon the following morning so that’s a plus.
 

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So, also women change their behaviour accordingly to our current person. The "Who you are right now".
Exactly. They live moment to moment. The friend zone is an illusion and even if it exists (which it only does in the man's mind), it is impermanent.
 

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Imo that's too much pressure on any woman, a woman will never be a male and will never give you the friendship a good male will.

There are men who make their women their best friends, mother, daughter, therapist, authority figure. No one wants that kind of pressure, that's why women detest needy men, cause they know those guys impose a lot of pressure on any woman.
Speaking in generals, I wouldnt diasagree with you. In particular, I was never looking for a "Best friend"; we just have so many common interests that It kind of happened naturally with the passing of time In the relationship
 

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The only caveat about being best friends is that best friends can have the most vicious fights - but you typically don’t fvck your male best friend and make up like it’s going to be Armageddon the following morning so that’s a plus.
Spend 6 months to a year in state pen
 

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I'd rather have a woman that feels the need to sex me up regularly so that I don't go looking for a replacement.
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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The friendzone strategy can take years to succeed and even then there’s no guarantee of success. If you want to pursue this approach I would invest absolutely bare minimal effort (e.g. texts/calls/catchups just a few times a year if that) and make sure you pursue other options. Don’t get oneitis with someone in the friendzone category, it’s a recipe for disappointment.
The key to doing this right is to not give up other opportunities to do stuff with the "friend". I mean, if you were just going to sit at home and look at p0rn, then you might as well hang out with the "friend".
 

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The worst thing a man can do is enter and stay in the friendzone hoping to eventually get some p*ssy.

Moreover, the woman will always think you're seeking affection.

This will diminish your value.

Not worth it.
 

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The friendzone is a state that is created when our behavior is not aligned with the outcome we want.

This video explains it very well

Once the first step—the choice—is successfully made, and you're not considered just a friend but his boyfriend, how should you behave correctly for a LTR, and how does that differ from your original behavior in the first instance?

For example, they also say "best friends make best lovers" https://www.quora.com/Why-do-our-friends-make-the-best-relationship-partners

also
stating that relationships fail because one partner doesnt satisfy the desire/urge to be understood.
I don't think my grandma was understood by my grandpa, but they managed to trive 70 years togheter.

Make light on this.
Nope( with all due respect) .

I've learned that women readonly COMPLETELY different than men. A man won't hang with a woman unless there's a clear benefit to it. If he likes her then yes, he'll play the waiting game in hopes of catching her in a moment of weakness.

But everyday you don't " make that move " you'll lose her respect. For a woman attraction triumphs connection. If she's attracted to you she'll and has any kind of relationship with you she will automatically be your " friend ". But then again, sosuave.net is full of men who saw their " best friend" monkey branch and disappear once the attraction faded. A true friend doesn't need attraction like that ( even if it's a female friend).

I'd even say that sometimes the " male definition" of friendship isn't even necessary to sustain a ltr. You mentioned your grandparents. Plenty of long-time married couples hardly ever speak
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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