"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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I talked to guys who are getting laid a lot in 2023, here's how they are meeting women.

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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It checks out. Recently Tinder has been most of my leads. You just need to look good and have extremely good photos.
 

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No one is better than John Banner (Schultz):

I remember being in Germany, and (this was in the days before WIFI) being a bit bored, I turned on the TV, and this show was on. Yes, it was a native-German-speaking actor playing Colonel Klink speaking English with a heavy German accent, then dubbed into German. :p
 

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It's interesting that there are so many glowing remarks about online dating in this thread, when usually all I've heard on this site is guys complaining about it. "The girls get all the interest, guys get nothing", etc. Just as a casual observer though, it does appear that most people these days rely on OLD for dates. I've never used it in my life, personally.
'OLD is great if you're handsome guy or a guy who knows how to hack the system (I use to be able to do this until Quarantine)
OLD is truly easy if you know the type of women that you want and how to get them to respond
My issue with OLD now is that the quality is severely trash
You're better of meeting women IRL
 

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Some guys here be like: It's easy for top-tier men.

Yea, and water is wet.
Hey I'm guilty of this but as a guy striving to be a "Top-Tier" man my best advice is like @CornbreadFed work on the things you can change your body, money etc. I've noticed this as well once I started losing the weight my results began to improve a lot
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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'OLD is great if you're handsome guy or a guy who knows how to hack the system (I use to be able to do this until Quarantine)
OLD is truly easy if you know the type of women that you want and how to get them to respond
My issue with OLD now is that the quality is severely trash
You're better of meeting women IRL
Admittedly I'm pretty out of practice with meeting women IRL. I've relied on it pretty much almost solely since 2014.
 

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So is any guy here meeting quality LTR worthy chicks on OLD or is OLD just for hookups now.

I think its interesting if OLD (Tinder, etc) are just hookup apps now. It could be related to the death of LTRs.

I wanna know if anyone got LTRs off OLD?
 

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So is any guy here meeting quality LTR worthy chicks on OLD or is OLD just for hookups now.

I think its interesting if OLD (Tinder, etc) are just hookup apps now. It could be related to the death of LTRs.

I wanna know if anyone got LTRs off OLD?
Tinder used to be just a hook up app. It's now more diverse.

I have had a few LTRs from online. It can work.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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You're better of meeting women IRL
I have come to the same conclusion. Over the years, I have made efforts using swipe apps and online dating website (prior to swipe apps). I found both formats inefficient and ineffective. While they helped boost the quantity of dates I went on, they produced more low quality dates that were a waste of time and effort.

Psychologically, I find that doing things in the real world is better for my overall mindset.
 

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'OLD is great if you're handsome guy or a guy who knows how to hack the system (I use to be able to do this until Quarantine)
OLD is truly easy if you know the type of women that you want and how to get them to respond
My issue with OLD now is that the quality is severely trash IN MY COUNTRY, TOWN AND IN MY EXPERIENCE
You're better of meeting women IRL
There fixed it for you. That should be added to every post everyone makes about anything here.

How it is everyone expects everything to be the same is beyond me. There are just too many variables to be able to make sweeping statements without caveats.
 

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So is any guy here meeting quality LTR worthy chicks on OLD or is OLD just for hookups now.
Las time I used OLD was late 2021 and it was great in my town and experience. These days, I dont know.
 

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There fixed it for you. That should be added to every post everyone makes about anything here.

How it is everyone expects everything to be the same is beyond me. There are just too many variables to be able to make sweeping statements without caveats.
I thought what is understood doesn't need to be said?
I clearly was talking about my experience(MY ISSUE, I didn't say the forums issue or the world issue, I said MY in terms of me as an individual), I don't expect a guy who lives in Chicago, New York or Istanbul to have the same experience as me
 

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I guess my reason for doing it has more to do with the fact that we’re dealing with a lot of young impressionable minds here. And sometimes things need to be said blatantly. In order to get the message across clearly.

So much of what we discuss here is location and culture dependent, but we act as if it is NOT in normal conversation assuming that everybody is following with that understanding.

I thought what is understood doesn't need to be said?
I clearly was talking about my experience(MY ISSUE, I didn't say the forums issue or the world issue, I said MY in terms of me as an individual), I don't expect a guy who lives in Chicago, New York or Istanbul to have the same experience as me
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I wanna know if anyone got LTRs off OLD?
I met my wife years ago on an online dating site, not on the apps we have today.

Two of my female cousins, now married with children, met their husbands on Tinder.

Two of my close friends met their women (pretty much second marriages without government papers) from Bumble. One of them has his second child with one.

An acquaintance of mine met his girlfriend on an app.
 

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Hey I'm guilty of this but as a guy striving to be a "Top-Tier" man my best advice is like @CornbreadFed work on the things you can change your body, money etc. I've noticed this as well once I started losing the weight my results began to improve a lot
Sure, but sometimes your possibilities are limited. If someone's autistic, he won't have super-duper bulletproof game. So there needs to be advice on how he still can get laid.
With your body you can do a lot, like not being fckin fat. But getting extremely big, in terms of muscles, is not always easy.
And money: For guys that are well over 30 I don't see great chances to break out of their salary range when their career is already set. (I dunno though) For me it's alright, since I'm doing a good engineering degree and am aware of the things I have to pay attention to. So I can probably expect a better income than average.

So what are guys doing that are stuck in certain aspects? Advice like "Just be alpha bro" doesn't help there.
 

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Cold approach works really fine for me when Im just direct and on parties.

Not always end up with sex, sometimes yes and some no.

But what works in that case is being quite direct.

I just came and say hi, asked her name... Say she is good looking and would like to kiss her. Some play some games, and if you insist a bit you get it... It seems to me that being direct to the point shows some kind confidence.

If she is not interested, I just say that was nice to meet her and leave.

Also I do cold approach without the need of alcohol, so I dont look like a freaky drunk guy approaching women.

And what I observed on parties is that the guys that try really hard to have the best conversations or the best game, end up frustrated.

Taking care of your body and look matters too. The more I improve my appearance the easier it gets. To the point that in some occasions some women approach me.

The bad thing about cold approach on parties is that it will be hard to end up with sex compared to OLD. I think its way easier when you meet someone online and can schedule a date on a restaurant or even at your place.

I would not try to apply cold approach like that in other environments rather than parties or clubs.

I also have lot of datings on OLD too. I like to use Facebook instead of Instagram and it works quite good. The suggestions on facebook helps to find some interesting women.

The only thing that I dont like that much with OLD or cold approaching on parties is that its hard to find a keeper. So yeah, its great for casual dating/sex... But finding a good woman to invest its difficult. Maybe because of that modern society or maybe because there would be better places to meet women for LTR.
 

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Advice like "Just be alpha bro" doesn't help there.
It might not, considering the following men men cannot be “out-alphad,” but were nevertheless publicly punked or left by their women:

Bill Gates
Brad Pitt
Will Smith
Tom Brady
Ben Affleck
Jeff Bezos
Vladimir Putin


For me it's alright, since I'm doing a good engineering degree and am aware of the things I have to pay attention to. So I can probably expect a better income than average.
If you are not socially stunted and you have such a profession and you’re alright looking, you’ll be attractive to enough women these days.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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