Potential wife past sexual history

[ubercat]

Omg with all the other odds stacked against these days guys have to find virgins too? Well it will solve overpopulation quickly.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I feel very badly for younger guys, it’s BAD OUT THERE, and it’ll only get worse.

I fear for my late stage teens frankly, I’ve done my best to prepare them with reasoning tools. God save them and you youngsters.

While I deal with the 35-55 crowd almost exclusively the 30-something’s while more physically desirable have waaaaaaay more issues than the 45-55 crowd.

Omg with all the other odds stacked against these days guys have to find virgins too? Well it will solve overpopulation quickly.

 

[Barrister]

Realistically, in the Western world, the only way a guy is getting a true virgin is if they end up together in high school and get married. In almost every other single situation, a woman is going to, at a minimum, have had sex with a boyfriend in the past. Why this forum continues to fixate on the whole virgin thing I truly don't understand since a whopping 0% of the forum falls in the category of being with their high school sweetheart (to my knowledge).

I suppose you may find some foreign woman where there is a possibility she is a virgin. But I would think that is even then incredibly rare.

 

[pipeman84]

Why this forum continues to fixate on the whole virgin thing I truly don't understand

Perhaps because some people on this forum are about excellence in life in general and male-female relationships in particular, and not about mediocrity and half-assing.

 

[Barrister]

Perhaps because some people on this forum are about excellence in life in general and male-female relationships in particular, and not about mediocrity and half-assing.

I think I can safely say that the vast majority of the posters here are not about "mediocrity and half-assing." I know that certainly doesn't apply to me or to a handful of posters I regularly have interacted with over years of being here - despite your generalization. On the other hand, I think it is fair to point out the unrealistic expectation of "only marrying a virgin" for anyone over the age of probably 21 at most. If you think that is advocating for mediocrity then so be it.

 

[pipeman84]

On the other hand, I think it is fair to point out the unrealistic expectation of "only marrying a virgin" for anyone over the age of probably 21 at most. If you think that is advocating for mediocrity then so be it.

Yeah, but just as unrealistic are truly happy, fulfilled marriages. Why is that? Because assuming the guy has his shyt together, he doesn't properly screen the woman. He goes with what's 'realistic'... first it's not 'realistic' to find a virgin, then he starts to believe that we all make mistakes and that BS so it's not 'realistic' to find someone who had less than 5 relationships and 10 dycks up her ass if she's over 30. So what's left to do for our 'realistic' guy? He tries to be Captain Save A Hoe and then he is surprised when his life as a married man has less sex than when he was single but he's much more miserable.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Realistically, in the Western world, the only way a guy is getting a true virgin is if they end up together in high school and get married. In almost every other single situation, a woman is going to, at a minimum, have had sex with a boyfriend in the past. Why this forum continues to fixate on the whole virgin thing I truly don't understand since a whopping 0% of the forum falls in the category of being with their high school sweetheart (to my knowledge).

I suppose you may find some foreign woman where there is a possibility she is a virgin. But I would think that is even then incredibly rare.

I politely disagree. Just last year I met a few virgins in their mid-late 20s, never had a bf, etc. The thing is, all but one of them didnt pass the boner test. Total whales.

 

[Pandora]

I politely disagree. Just last year I met a few virgins in their mid-late 20s, never had a bf, etc. The thing is, all but one of them didnt pass the boner test. Total whales.

Lol well yes. If they are totally ugly girls then you might be able to find a couple virgins. In this case they are essentially men. Also, how sure are you that they are not lying. Maybe 1 or 2 were being truthful but the other ones might be lying.

 

[Pandora]

Yeah, but just as unrealistic are truly happy, fulfilled marriages. Why is that? Because assuming the guy has his shyt together, he doesn't properly screen the woman. He goes with what's 'realistic'... first it's not 'realistic' to find a virgin, then he starts to believe that we all make mistakes and that BS so it's not 'realistic' to find someone who had less than 5 relationships and 10 dycks up her ass if she's over 30. So what's left to do for our 'realistic' guy? He tries to be Captain Save A Hoe and then he is surprised when his life as a married man has less sex than when he was single but he's much more miserable.

Yes expecting a happy fulfilled marriage is unrealistic. You are living in delusional land my friend. Marriage is hard work that is only worth it in order to raise stable children. Without children, marriage is ridiculous.

Yes it is unrealistic to find an attractive women that has never had sex before. They are less than 5% of the female population and then they have to be compatible with you. Usually these virgins are not compatible with you unless you went to high school with them.

"Whats left to do for our 'realistic guy?" Good question. No one really knows the answer. This is why this website exists. This is why RedPill content on Youtube has taken off in last few years. Some go overseas, some go MGTOW, some go Incel...pick your poison.

 

[SW15]

Are you guys who are married or considering it affected by the woman's past sexual history?

Past sexual history is relevant in a marriage situation.

It's not that relevant at the girlfriend stage if you do not marry the woman.

If you're considering a relationship that could lead to marriage with a woman 25+ who is childless, realize that at least one of the following things will apply

1. She has a high notch count
2. She has a lower notch count due to a 3-5 year + LTR failing, often with co-habitation
3. She has a childless divorce to her name

You might be able to get a decent girlfriend relationship out of the 3 conditions, but likely a failed marriage.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

I was hesitant to post this but decided what the heck, gonna post.

To the men who seek virgins and degrade women who aren't, you talk like you think sex is some dirty disgusting activity and women who engage in it before marriage (or sometimes even after) are gross, disgusting and aren't "pure."

One poster in particular keeps harping on how non-virgins are "disgusting."

What makes a woman engaging in sexual intimacy with a past serious boyfriend so disgusting to you?

Would you deem a virginal woman disgusting after having sex with you?

Answer - yes I've heard of men losing all attraction for his virgin wife after having sex with her believing her to be "disgusting."

Giving him license to abuse her, in some cases kill her!

I've worked with women whose abusive boyfriends and husbands had this mindset, calling them "disgusting wh0res" after they had sex with them. They were virgins prior.

Not sure where this hatred towards women and sex stems from, perhaps from their own fathers? Trickle down?

Or a Madonna/Wh0re complex?

Who the hell knows.

I wish y'all luck.

WTF. You sound butthurt or something. From time to time you also sound like a broken record, repeting and repeating that women with low notch counts are just as valuable as virgins, which is pointless because that´s up to every man to decide for himself.

Posts like this are totally out of place in a Men´s forum. This should be a safe space for men, where they can speak their mind without judgement, especially judgement from women. If some random poster thinks non virgins are disgusting so what.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Because I seek understanding. If that bothers you, feel free to place me on ignore, I won't be offended.

Because I seek understanding.

About what? And you can stop asking me to ignore you, I wont do it.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

You are already married. You are "out" of the game, or a part of it. That´s why you deleted your account, isnt it? What do you want to understand at this point?

 

[Doctor Europeo]

@catsmeow2 I recently had an epiphany, Im pretty convinced that some guys in here are retards, and thats not an attack on them, I really think they are mentally disabled. No point in trying to understand

 

[pipeman84]

@catsmeow2 Trying to put into words the attraction towards virgins, beside the biological reason already mentioned, on a higher, more intellectual level, this is what I came up with:
- she has a clean record as far as pair bonding is concerned...I couldn't take seriously an 'I love you' or other expressions of love from a woman who said that to 5 guys before me. 1-2, let's say they could be mistakes, particularly if it happened when she was under 20yrs old, more than that and there's a pattern.
- sexual promiscuity is linked to all sorts of other mental issues that makes the woman unfit for marriage
- she sees love and relations and you the man as someone special....once you're the 5th in an open-ended line, it's more like an arrangement/transaction than something unique between a man and a woman.
- she has a clean record as far as her capacity of making rational choices in major issues (such as partner choice and giving access to pvssy with all its implications like potential pregnancy, STDs) and loyalty. A woman with 5 exes can talk about how they were toxic and learned lessons and bla bla all day long. What it actually means is that she made poor choices, she's a slow learner and/or she's not loyal.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

About the mindset. I really would like to understand it.

I asked a couple questions in my post, since you care enough about what I post and to respond, can you answer the questions?

This one in particular.

>>What makes a woman engaging in sexual intimacy with a past serious boyfriend so disgusting to you?

To be fair I never called them disgusting. I believe that was someone else

 

[pipeman84]

You don't get it. In the MOMENT they do feel that way. Then like a leaf blowing in the wind, their feelings change direction...

When she's that fickle then she's not marriage material. You need consistency if you want to live together with someone and perhaps start a family.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

Thank you. Perhaps that's the answer.

U r welcome. I learned it the hard way

 

[SW15]

Realistically, in the Western world, the only way a guy is getting a true virgin is if they end up together in high school and get married. In almost every other single situation, a woman is going to, at a minimum, have had sex with a boyfriend in the past. Why this forum continues to fixate on the whole virgin thing I truly don't understand since a whopping 0% of the forum falls in the category of being with their high school sweetheart (to my knowledge).

I suppose you may find some foreign woman where there is a possibility she is a virgin. But I would think that is even then incredibly rare.

I agree with all of this.

 

[pipeman84]

I agree with you about that . I am not talking about sexually promiscuous women, but rather a woman who has engaged in sexual intimacy with a previous boyfriend.

Well, then the other points still stand. Furthermore, why did the relationship end? I tend to put the burden of blame on women because they are about relationships and emotions more than men who are about sex. Men are supposed to be like mustangs who freely roam the prairie and bang whoever they can. Then a particular woman manages to corral them in a relationship. What's the reason for their escape? I often hear the reason: relationship just ran its course. Well, I say that's generally speaking BS. That shouldn't happen unless extraordinary circumstances, and when it happens 5 times to the same person it's clearly her, not the circumstances.