You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I often wonder what would have happened if I had been around 20 when I found this place, instead of 48. I'm not at all sure I wouldn't have used it in self destructive ways.2002 here... found this site after my high school girlfriend told me we should experience other people .,,
After finding this site I entered my glory days!! 20 years flew past and now I feel ancient.
Same for me and HS (2002-2006), i found this forum at 22 give or take, i wish i found it during HS to be honestI often wonder what would have happened if I had been around 20 when I found this place, instead of 48. I'm not at all sure I wouldn't have used it in self destructive ways.
I agree, i know. Women dont "change" overall. Their psychology is still the sameA lot of 'old school player' advice is still the best advice.
Much of the advice you get these days has a 'modern, bluepill' nuance to it.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
What's the point?Anyone from 2009-2014 era SoSuave'rs still on here(or older)? Im hardly on this forum anymore, but would love to see some old faces that are still around.
Joined in 2012. I was 54, separated after almost 30 years of marriage. If I remember correctly, Rollo was still active here and was just starting his blog.Anyone from 2009-2014 era SoSuave'rs still on here(or older)? Im hardly on this forum anymore, but would love to see some old faces that are still around.
Agreed.Early 10s here...amazing era for everything.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Agreed, then we had an influx of all these members, when i signed up there were around 50,000 members, now there are double that. Everyone was helping eachother out big time around then also, it seems as the years go on the advice gets worse and worse, thank god i joined when i did / learned what i did around that time. Truthfully everything is in the bible, no one just seems to read it or even mention it anymore.Even the atmosphere in this forum was much better back in the early 10s, much more carefree attitude and humor.
forums always seem to do that. In the really early days here, back in the 2000's, there was really good advice on here that worked very well on principle, and for the time.Agreed, then we had an influx of all these members, when i signed up there were around 50,000 members, now there are double that. Everyone was helping eachother out big time around then also, it seems as the years go on the advice gets worse and worse, thank god i joined when i did / learned what i did around that time. Truthfully everything is in the bible, no one just seems to read it or even mention it anymore.
Oh glad your back! I liked grewdI signed up in 2013, discovered it just a couple of months before that while looking up information that could shed light on what the hell I was doing wrong with women. I am a very different man today, I wouldn't go looking for my oldest posts, it's so bad.
You might know me as Grewd. I locked myself out of that account in an attempt to quit a couple years ago, but signed up again as Serenity some weeks later. Grewd later got merged with this account.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
If she is 35+ calling still works you'd be surpriseGood luck calling a girl you didnt bang yet and expect her to pick up and give you her full attention in 2021...even more to schedule a date 3 days in advance.
I'll make sure to text then.If she is 35+ calling still works you'd be surprise
If she is 29+ facetime is best
anything below just text
The website still was good up until 2012 after that it went to Inceldom, we use to have a lot of high IQ men post here with some great convo's. There were more guys taken action i.e. field reports. Now it's been overun by keyboard jockies and incelsBc the market went to sht and the website got deplatformed from Google
We also grew old, stuff is less funny when you're old.The website still was good up until 2012 after that it went to Inceldom, we use to have a lot of high IQ men post here with some great convo's. There were more guys taken action i.e. field reports. Now it's been overun by keyboard jockies and incels
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.