"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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2009-2014 era SoSuave'rs?

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My impression with the whole texting controversy was that the older wave of PUAs hadn't caught up with the technology yet.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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2002 here... found this site after my high school girlfriend told me we should experience other people .,,

After finding this site I entered my glory days!! 20 years flew past and now I feel ancient.
 

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2002 here... found this site after my high school girlfriend told me we should experience other people .,,

After finding this site I entered my glory days!! 20 years flew past and now I feel ancient.
I often wonder what would have happened if I had been around 20 when I found this place, instead of 48. I'm not at all sure I wouldn't have used it in self destructive ways.
 

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I often wonder what would have happened if I had been around 20 when I found this place, instead of 48. I'm not at all sure I wouldn't have used it in self destructive ways.
Same for me and HS (2002-2006), i found this forum at 22 give or take, i wish i found it during HS to be honest
 

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A lot of 'old school player' advice is still the best advice.

Much of the advice you get these days has a 'modern, bluepill' nuance to it.
I agree, i know. Women dont "change" overall. Their psychology is still the same
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Anyone from 2009-2014 era SoSuave'rs still on here(or older)? Im hardly on this forum anymore, but would love to see some old faces that are still around.
What's the point?
 

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Anyone from 2009-2014 era SoSuave'rs still on here(or older)? Im hardly on this forum anymore, but would love to see some old faces that are still around.
Joined in 2012. I was 54, separated after almost 30 years of marriage. If I remember correctly, Rollo was still active here and was just starting his blog.

Taking the red pill in your 50s was an eye opening, interesting journey to say the least.

-Augustus-
 

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I signed up in 2013, discovered it just a couple of months before that while looking up information that could shed light on what the hell I was doing wrong with women. I am a very different man today, I wouldn't go looking for my oldest posts, it's so bad.

You might know me as Grewd. I locked myself out of that account in an attempt to quit a couple years ago, but signed up again as Serenity some weeks later. Grewd later got merged with this account.
 
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Crissco

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Even the atmosphere in this forum was much better back in the early 10s, much more carefree attitude and humor.
Agreed, then we had an influx of all these members, when i signed up there were around 50,000 members, now there are double that. Everyone was helping eachother out big time around then also, it seems as the years go on the advice gets worse and worse, thank god i joined when i did / learned what i did around that time. Truthfully everything is in the bible, no one just seems to read it or even mention it anymore.
 

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Agreed, then we had an influx of all these members, when i signed up there were around 50,000 members, now there are double that. Everyone was helping eachother out big time around then also, it seems as the years go on the advice gets worse and worse, thank god i joined when i did / learned what i did around that time. Truthfully everything is in the bible, no one just seems to read it or even mention it anymore.
forums always seem to do that. In the really early days here, back in the 2000's, there was really good advice on here that worked very well on principle, and for the time.
 

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I signed up in 2013, discovered it just a couple of months before that while looking up information that could shed light on what the hell I was doing wrong with women. I am a very different man today, I wouldn't go looking for my oldest posts, it's so bad.

You might know me as Grewd. I locked myself out of that account in an attempt to quit a couple years ago, but signed up again as Serenity some weeks later. Grewd later got merged with this account.
Oh glad your back! I liked grewd

Man i missed the years by 1 :)
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Good luck calling a girl you didnt bang yet and expect her to pick up and give you her full attention in 2021...even more to schedule a date 3 days in advance.
If she is 35+ calling still works you'd be surprise
If she is 29+ facetime is best
anything below just text
 

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Bc the market went to sht and the website got deplatformed from Google
The website still was good up until 2012 after that it went to Inceldom, we use to have a lot of high IQ men post here with some great convo's. There were more guys taken action i.e. field reports. Now it's been overun by keyboard jockies and incels
 

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The website still was good up until 2012 after that it went to Inceldom, we use to have a lot of high IQ men post here with some great convo's. There were more guys taken action i.e. field reports. Now it's been overun by keyboard jockies and incels
We also grew old, stuff is less funny when you're old.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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