"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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2009-2014 era SoSuave'rs?

Crissco

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Anyone from 2009-2014 era SoSuave'rs still on here(or older)? Im hardly on this forum anymore, but would love to see some old faces that are still around.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I'm still here, I also signed up in 2009.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Yep. Crissco has survived the plandemic.
 

corrector

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Been here as Luke Skywalker between 2006-2009, then as corrector since 2009. Took a few breaks posting in 2012-2016 and had most romantic experiences (2012-2014). Ironically one of the threads made by Luke Skywaker intended to find a gf before December 12, 2012. As a twist of fate that was actually fulfilled even though the world did not end that year.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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speed dawg

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2005 representin' here. Just turned 40. Was in my mid-20s and striking out left and right when I found this place. The last 15-16 years have been a total transformation from my previous 25 p*ssy-repelling years on this Earth.

What is funny is that with all the 'changes' these guys talk about (OLD, all these apps, social media, etc.), the game is still the exact same. Doc Love's advice, from 20 years ago, still rings true.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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What is funny is that with all the 'changes' these guys talk about (OLD, all these apps, social media, etc.), the game is still the exact same. Doc Love's advice, from 20 years ago, still rings true.
Except for when he would talk about certain technologies, like home phones.
 

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Except for when he would talk about certain technologies, like home phones.
Heh. I still remember all the old threads about how you should never text a girl, and only call her on the phone.
 

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Heh. I still remember all the old threads about how you should never text a girl, and only call her on the phone.
I read Doc Love articles when I was in college in the early 2000s. Texting wasn't really a thing back then. There were home phones and cell phones but the cell phones were used primarily for on the go phone calls. Doc was emphasizing home phones then. I didn't remember texting getting big until 2005 or 2006. The first iPhone hit the market in 2007. Before the iPhone, it was possible to date without using text messaging. After the release of the iPhone and the major popularity of the Blackberry (from 2007-09, the Blackberry was bigger), doing the early stages of dating without texting became nearly impossible.
 

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I read Doc Love articles when I was in college in the early 2000s. Texting wasn't really a thing back then. There were home phones and cell phones but the cell phones were used primarily for on the go phone calls. Doc was emphasizing home phones then. I didn't remember texting getting big until 2005 or 2006. The first iPhone hit the market in 2007. Before the iPhone, it was possible to date without using text messaging. After the release of the iPhone and the major popularity of the Blackberry (from 2007-09, the Blackberry was bigger), doing the early stages of dating without texting became nearly impossible.
The basics are still the same, whether it's a home phone or a raise to voice text or whatever. You still have to think. His point was to call the girl when they would likely be at home and not focused on other stuff. You want her full attention. No doubt that it's gotten tougher nowadays to do that, since most are buried in their phone all day anyway.
 

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Good luck calling a girl you didnt bang yet and expect her to pick up and give you her full attention in 2021...even more to schedule a date 3 days in advance.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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