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article: Many young men are shunning sex. Is it because feminism and #MeToo are constant reminders of the inferiority of male identity?

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So the avg married man is no longer the 2 x a week? 15-20 yrs ago i used to laugh at the lowly 2x a week number and i could see some of the marrieds were sexless. So now the stats say MOST married men are sexless or near sexless?
After roughly the 3 year point of marriage (assuming a relationship time of 1.5-3 years before marriage), sex frequency typically drops. Marriages after this point are often sexless or near sexless. Often, stats will show married men getting more access than single men. That's because of the early stage marriage population having decent sex lives and the single men outside of the Top 20% fighting for sexual scraps.
 

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After roughly the 3 year point of marriage (assuming a relationship time of 1.5-3 years before marriage), sex frequency typically drops. Marriages after this point are often sexless or near sexless. Often, stats will show married men getting more access than single men. That's because of the early stage marriage population having decent sex lives and the single men outside of the Top 20% fighting for sexual scraps.
I used to hang with alot of couples when i was married. 15-20 yrs ago. Many of them did have sex. It was occasionally. Me and my wife fvcked daily. Then you had a few couples where the man was bullied and sexless.

Are you saying in 2020 and the last 5-10 yr most married men are bullied and sexless after several years? Cause in the old days wife had enough concern to give him a little bit of puzzy every so often.
 

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I used to hang with alot of couples when i was married. 15-20 yrs ago. Many of them did have sex. It was occasionally. Me and my wife fvcked daily. Then you had a few couples where the man was bullied and sexless.

Are you saying in 2020 and the last 5-10 yr most married men are bullied and sexless after several years? Cause in the old days wife had enough concern to give him a little bit of puzzy every so often.
Yes. In most marriages, the bedroom is more Alaska than Arizona. Very frigid, no sexual heat.
 

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Yes. In most marriages, the bedroom is more Alaska than Arizona. Very frigid, no sexual heat.
Back 15-20 years ago, with the other couples I realized most men at that time did get it, it just wasn't that often. The wives were decent enough to give him some puzzy every so often. And the occasional bullied and sexless man ( cvcking a man is taking his power )... But to come to the acceptance that today in 2020, MOST married men are sexless or near sexless is a travesty. So feminism took over marriage.

It's feminist idea of "just because it's your boyfriend or husband doesn't mean you have to have sex with him" and they don't have to... But they've taken it one step further, and it's literally a "control trap", where if your married or a boyfriend with one of them, they might have a sexlife but you won't.

What a nightmare.
 

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Back 15-20 years ago, with the other couples I realized most men at that time did get it, it just wasn't that often. The wives were decent enough to give him some puzzy every so often. And the occasional bullied and sexless man ( cvcking a man is taking his power )... But to come to the acceptance that today in 2020, MOST married men are sexless or near sexless is a travesty. So feminism took over marriage.

It's feminist idea of "just because it's your boyfriend or husband doesn't mean you have to have sex with him" and they don't have to... But they've taken it one step further, and it's literally a "control trap", where if your married or a boyfriend with one of them, they might have a sexlife but you won't.

What a nightmare.
The whole mating environment, including marriages, have gotten worse since the 2000-2005 era (15-20 years ago). Let's also keep in mind that 2000-2005 wasn't a spectacular era either for relationships. I was 17-22 during that time frame so I was participating in the environment in that era as well as now.

I've never married. I've never been close to it. There was a time where I would have been open to possibility of marriage. I am not open to it now. It is just a bad idea. The divorce laws stink and a frigid sex life with the wife is a real possibility as well. By aggregating numerous disparate statistics, there's an ~80% chance of AT LEAST one of the following 3 things happening to a man who marries:

-Divorce
-Affair (either you cheating or her cheating. With Millennials, women are cheating more)
-A bleak, ongoing relationship that only continues to exist based on inertia and one not frequently including sex

I don't want any of that. If someone wants to do extended monogamous relationships, it is best to only do them in time intervals of 2-5 years and exit before the inevitable drop in sex frequency. If someone makes it to 5 years and sex is still frequent (averaging 2 days per week+), then it's worth continuing but it is likely on borrowed time.
 

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'Cheap sex' is a misnomer. 'Cheap sex' is only applicable to the Top 20% of men.
Man 20% has always struck me as such an optimistic percentage. You mean to tell me that 1 in 5 men I see walking around outside is basically pimping it out there? Though according to the chart below, I guess if you include men who are "medium" then you do get up to 19%. But only 7% of them are actually attractive in the absolute sense.

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It is a theoretical last resort not a real one then. As you have never been with one but I have then its more likely I know what I am talking about when I call it too gross. For something to be a true last resort then you have to try it and see if it is for you or not. We both know this is just something in your mind and you wont have the guts to actually go through with it. You simply can not go there and you know it. That is why it is not your last resort.
In SEA it's feels extremely normal. People who never go to them in the west do it often easily in the east. It depends often on the context.
 

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In SEA it's feels extremely normal. People who never go to them in the west do it often easily in the east. It depends often on the context.

Often sex with a normal girl in the west feels more like being with a pro (in a bad way) than with a pro in the east.
 

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I beg to differ on the cause & effect - it is the rise of inceldom that is making men porn addicts.
The laws and social norms and trends don't "force" some of the mens positions? I don't think men just "got weaker" without a lot of outside forces changing.
 

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The laws and social norms and trends don't "force" some of the mens positions? I don't think men just "got weaker" without a lot of outside forces changing.
In the past women had more reason to **** guys. Money and Status.

Nowadays the guys don't want to work hard to get sex as they have
other forms of entertainment. Additionally you are less seen as a loser
if you don't have sex than back in the time
 

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Are you saying this because your saying many women "in the west" are even more emotionally closed off than a true "hooker" in the east?
 

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In the past women had more reason to **** guys. Money and Status.

Nowadays the guys don't want to work hard to get sex as they have
other forms of entertainment. Additionally you are less seen as a loser
if you don't have sex than back in the time
Epicenter... When sex is flowing the guy isn't "working hard", it's the women coming to get some from him. All this "effort" to get laid, I'm not sure that was ever how it was done. It happens easily for someone who is in the dynamic.
 

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Epicenter... When sex is flowing the guy isn't "working hard", it's the women coming to get some from him. All this "effort" to get laid, I'm not sure that was ever how it was done. It happens easily for someone who is in the dynamic.
Yes it was always lots of effort and risky. You got easily get killed plus STD. In many countries it was normal to have sex with donkeys.

Some guys with LMS did have it much easier obviously but I think they were a minority. Additionally they will get trapped in hedonic adaptation. It's kwown that men want variety. It's mostly working hard for getting the fix with diminishing returns.

It's funny even in the world of gay guys sex is a lot of drama and work. It seems to be the nature of the beast.
 

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Yes it was always lots of effort and risky. You got easily get killed plus STD. In many countries it was normal to have sex with donkeys.
It was risky but many of us were daredevils and just had so much testosterone flowing we weren't concerned about it.

About the sex with donkeys part, I can't comment. Is this men or women? It's weird.

Some guys with LMS did have it much easier obviously but I think they were a minority. Additionally they will get trapped in hedonic adaptation. It's kwown that men want variety. It's mostly working hard for getting the fix with diminishing returns.
The guys getting it easily are "not working hard". But yes your right, many men perhaps always did have to work "hard".

It's funny even in the world of gay guys sex is a lot of drama and work. It seems to be the nature of the beast.
I talk to some gay guys, they suffer the same shyt. "Getting played", "gold diggers", "age gap relationships", "someone only there for the sex", "being cheated", etc.
 

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It was risky but many of us were daredevils and just had so much testosterone flowing we weren't concerned about it.

About the sex with donkeys part, I can't comment. Is this men or women? It's weird.


The guys getting it easily are "not working hard". But yes your right, many men perhaps always did have to work "hard".



I talk to some gay guys, they suffer the same shyt. "Getting played", "gold diggers", "age gap relationships", "someone only there for the sex", "being cheated", etc.
Yes daredevil or psychopathic animalistic idiots. Depends on your perspective.

Of course the men having sex with donkeys because they can't get women. The women get guarded by the family.
 

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Yes daredevil or psychopathic animalistic idiots. Depends on your perspective.

Of course the men having sex with donkeys because they can't get women. The women get guarded by the family.
Men getting sex are not psychopaths nor are they animals. They are in tune with themselves and the women who choose them.

You where the one preaching this "ultra conservative" sexless thing? Women want sex too. The men who get it don't have to manipulate or fool them. Women do what they choose to do.

What family guards them?
 

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Men getting sex are not psychopaths nor are they animals. They are in tune with themselves and the women who choose them.
You are free to have any perspective you want. One can not prove "believes"
 
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