yeah repetition is the mother of skill hahaBut first you need to know how to read the signs and it looks like OP don't
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
yeah repetition is the mother of skill hahaBut first you need to know how to read the signs and it looks like OP don't
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
You have already made it clear to her that you want to date her.So what would be a better approach here? There's no denying there's chemistry there.
You took action. That puts you ahead of 95% of the rest of the forum already. You should be giving advice, not receiving it.Hi guys,
Good to be on board, thanks for having me. I’ve been following some online coaching YouTube channels for some time and have learned quite a lot, but still struggling a bit with women, the question below is for a specific one. This girl is a new coworker of mine, and we see each other daily, and when we don’t, we’ll shoot a few DMs over IG - she found me there and regularly follows my posts and reacts to my stories. We’re in different departments and we don’t report to each other or are each other supervisors, so no problem there, even the work policies are OK with it. There’s been a spark since we’ve met, she also knew when my birthday was (I told her once), so her and another coworker surprised me with some goodies; when her birthday came, I surprised her back with a nice gesture, she said that it totally made her birthday and told everyone about it.
Apart from hanging out after work with other coworkers on two occasions, I asked her out for a drink or something two times, and she couldn’t make it once because she was slammed with work (didn’t offer alternative then), and second time she was sick (for a fact, I saw that the next day), and this time she mentioned that we could get together this week, but she didn’t offer a specific day, so I just told her to let me know if she wants to get together and left it at that. She also mentioned that we should ask the other coworker to hang out as well, so that’s the confusing / weird part. Why would she want to have another female coworker there? Other than that, the signs of attractions are very much there, we broke the touch barrier, she always giggles, etc.
What’s your take on this? My current approach is not to initiate contact, but always reply and act as if nothing changed in person, still being charming and flirty, but not pursuing and definitely not asking her out again until she mentions it first.
It’s really that simple.You have already made it clear to her that you want to date her.
Women help and make it easy for the men they want.
That means in my experience the best approach here is to stop trying to make anything happen, not because that will "work" and "make her" interested in you through playing a game, but because it is playing NO game with her and saving your time and energy. She has so far not reciprocated the interest you've shown her and so it's entirely in her ballpark now to make an effort and do it. But, from your account of it and as I said before, I suspect the reason she has not done so in the first place is that all she ever wanted from you was validation and maybe some entertainment. You have to understand that validation is like oxygen to women or like water for a fish, they need a sizeable and steady amount of it to survive.
Well, the signs so far have been:But first you need to know how to read the signs and it looks like OP don't
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Makes sense. I'm not too crazy about this girl, as the initial crush faded, so it'll be easy to let it go. And then we'll see what's really going on, I guess.It’s really that simple.
If she was interested, she wouldn’t have turned him down TWICE.
And no, she didn’t turn him down because he projected weakness as some here would like to think (by asking instead of telling her). She simply ain’t physically attracted to him.
No worries - I've been single for years now, so I really don't need anyone to be my best self, got more than enough things going on and succeeding in to worry too much about it (even though I did post about it here, lol).You took action. That puts you ahead of 95% of the rest of the forum already. You should be giving advice, not receiving it.
She left it up to you to set up logistics and you didn't. You dropped the ball. Having a second girl isn't a dealbreaker. Not by any means. Think about how good it would look for you to be out with two girls. A strong possibility of competition between the two also.
There are lots of incels and mgtow's on this forum who have given up. Don't be one of them.
She is jerking you arround. Her mentioned a 3rd party is disrespectful to you. Proceed as you wish, but know she doesn't desire you.She wouldn't have suggested bringing a third party to your date if she desired you.
I would suspect she is using you to feel better about herself/boost her selfesteem, and entertain herself. But I would actually encourage you not to take my word for it, keep going at it and see how it turns out. I hope I'm wrong, but out of my experience I would suspect not.
All of which means absolutely nothing, a list of red herrings or false flags.Well, the signs so far have been:
- her constantly popping by my office
- giggling at almost anything I say
- surprising me for birthday and baking me something
- looking me up and following me on social media
- initiating contact
- playful physical contact
Spot onShe is jerking you arround. Her mentioned a 3rd party is disrespectful to you. Proceed as you wish, but know she doesn't desire you.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Tell me, does she ask you to do any favors for her?Well, the signs so far have been:
- her constantly popping by my office
- giggling at almost anything I say
- surprising me for birthday and baking me something
- looking me up and following me on social media
- initiating contact
- playful physical contact
The bottom line is.. women who are sexually attracted to you will submit to you. Anything other than submission is attention wh0ring, manipulation or exploitation.
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That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
ExactlyThat was a guy who didn't mince any words in his direct, brutal, honest appraisals. And he did it with the agenda of informing men to make their own choices better, rather than with any hate or insecurity.
No, and she seems to genuinely care how I am and feelTell me, does she ask you to do any favors for her?
Go with what your gut is saying. Attend that plus one “date” with her and just enjoy yourself. Don’t worry about escalating or anything of that nature. focus on having fun.No, and she seems to genuinely care how I am and feel
I am, and my day job is not that kind of workplace - I work on my passion and life purpose in my spare time so I have little free time to spare, and I am seeing success in that regard. I should also mention that I'm an introverted person that doesn't actively go out and meet new people.In my opinion you should be investing your time and effort toward making money. Outworking your colleagues. Allying and learning from the top performers. Being engrossed in your goals and exceeding expectations.
Focus on making money and the women will come.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.