mrgoodstuff
Master Don Juan
Its still relationships... In dating people will be even more risky than these stats.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Age May Matter for a Man when procuring young girls
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
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AJ84
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I’ve only know a few and yeah they weren’t looking for a husband.
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AJ84
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What male demographic makes up this 20%? Are we talking about pro-athletes, celebs, Silicon Valley millionaires? I’m not trying to be sarcastic I honestly want to know. Is there data on it?
lamath
Master Don Juan
Same here i find it hard to believe.
Imo problem is that alot of younger guys in general lack the social skills and with the rape culture have been brainwash into being ashamed to be mens.
OLD might also be part of the problem, stats has been shown that women find only 20% of men attractive.
redskinsfan92
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
mrgoodstuff
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The ones you mentioned are top 3%
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AJ84
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Thanks for this but I’m wondering if there is data outside the manosphere? Sorry it’s not a dig at you but it would be like me giving you data from a feminist site lol. Both tend to be skewed imo.
I’m wondering what non gender biased data is out there. I can take a look I’m sure there’s something because I know that there’s a hierarchy of desirable men but I’m interested to know what the attributes are, what the percentage is and what the data is on women dating them to the exclusion of men outside that percentage.
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This graph is from okcupid. Women rate 80% of men as below average in attractiveness (below 5/10).
lamath
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I think that for a men to be attractive to a women its.more than physical attractivness, and that on OLD men are at a disadvantage. Some smv stuff cant be seen on a pic.
Some attractive men are not as aware about what kind of pic or description might make them more attractive to women. Men are overall behing women whith those subtle details that can make a big difference, also women spend alot more tine to get perfect profile pic
That 20/80 is probably correct for single ppl that are not in ltr.
However imo the total of ppl not having sex ltr included is alot closer than that.
redskinsfan92
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Rollo often links to data outside the manosphere. So, I linked you to one of his many articles.
Comparing the manosphere to feminists is comparing apples to oranges. Data inside the manosphere has often proved reliable. Especially from the PUAs as they go out and field test theories.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
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AJ84
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Thanks for the chart. For sure OLD is a woman’s market so definitely an inflated sense of their SMV as has been discussed here many times.
so the blue line represents the data of females sending males messages? Interesting that though they rate less men as most attractive, they are messaging more men than the percentage they find attractive. I wonder what the context of that is?
I would love to see what the favourable response rate is for women messaging the most attractive men. Like how many of these men message back an average looking woman?
redskinsfan92
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Here is some info Rollo pointed out to me on Twitter a while back.
Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your…
by Worst-Online-Dater
He also has often shown data proving that women's peak SMV is in the early 20s and men's in the 30s.
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AJ84
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Feminists say and do and refer to ‘data and studies’ in the exact same manner, and they have been doing it for far far longer than the manosphere. There are many aspects of it that parallel feminist thought and approach.
And PUA’s usually post videos of success after how many failed attempts and there have been rumours that some hire women to pretend.
I’m not saying that everything in the manosphere is BS because it certainly isn’t, just like not everything in feminism is totally BS. However there is a lot of bias. And of course an agenda.
I tend to take both heavily one sided views with a grain of salt to be honest.
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AJ84
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Yeah I have heard this about Tinder before. I think, because it’s basically a hook up causal sex site, women will try to f**k a hot guy over trying to date a regular one.Here is some info Rollo pointed out to me on Twitter a while back.
Tinder Experiments II: Guys, unless you are really hot you are probably better off not wasting your…
by Worst-Online-Datermedium.com
He also has often shown data proving that women's peak SMV is in the early 20s and men's in the 30s.
think about it: if you know it’s just going to be about sex, would you choose average or try to land the hottest you can? That’s how a female will think. For Tinder I can definitely see women focusing on the top hottest guys if they can get them ( though those guys are just using them for sex).
This is not accomplishment for women at all. It’s kind of sad when some of them think it is.
lamath
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Imo bias data.most of the time like this article
Poor women no men are financially stable enough for them.
Like the lack of financially stable men are affecting women the most. This is solipsism if i ever saw it.
What about those men that lost their purpose and cant perform in the feminist brainwash word.
US marriage rates may be dipping because of a shortage of financially stable men, study suggests
Articles and videos about US marriage rates may be dipping because of a shortage of financially stable men, study suggests on FOX 10 Phoenix.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
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AJ84
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Don’t even get me started on that one lol:Imo bias data.most of the time like this article
Poor women no men are financially stable enough for them.
Like the lack of financially stable men are affecting women the most. This is solipsism if i ever saw it.
What about those men that lost their purpose and cant perform in the feminist brainwash word.
US marriage rates may be dipping because of a shortage of financially stable men, study suggests
Articles and videos about US marriage rates may be dipping because of a shortage of financially stable men, study suggests on FOX 10 Phoenix.www.fox10phoenix.com
Makes 150k and brags that she don’t need no man’s money.
Won’t date a guy who makes less than her.
I‘m aware of that long establish hypocrisy. Knew a girl who worked in finance who didn’t want me to set her up with this male friend of mine because he was ‘just an electrician apprentice’ well jokes on her because two years later guess who makes twice as much as her? Lol and I set him up with a friend of mine who didn’t care that he was apprentice and they are married now Hahahaha
Im 41.... look early to mid 30s when i shave.... the dating scene here in Vancouver isnt in my favor at all... all the ladies in my age range dont seem to take care of themselves at all... i dont understand wtf... and i can't for the life of me seem to attract anything younger than me by even a few years.... older than me is np... all of them seem to be average to "a few extra lbs" .... ugh... im fit.... work out some.. fairly muscular with a bit of body fat to cut.. when my face is shaved i look way young... but im losing my hair so i shave it off Jason Stathom style.... makes me wonder if i am stuck with settling for meh puzzy or just forget about it all.... *shrugs*
lamath
Master Don Juan
At 39 i notice something similar same age and older women are way more direct towards me.
Younger women are more subtle and will wait for me to make the first move.
Just what i have seen so far.
On OLD im not sure, its not my cup of teai rather stay clear.
Imo alot of dmg entitle women on there.
I rarely see guys with little lms pull females except at an older age where theyre usually better positioned to betabuxx. This especially becomes apparent in college where the females aren't as resource driven.
Being older, one of the drawbacks about lying about age is that a close relationship would have is difficulties due to her likely finding out. You have to play the fkboy role or lie thru the teeth lol.
Being older, one of the drawbacks about lying about age is that a close relationship would have is difficulties due to her likely finding out. You have to play the fkboy role or lie thru the teeth lol.
lamath
Master Don Juan
But thats because those men are afraid of smart successful women, not because those women wasted their best years becoming successful obv
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.