Age May Matter for a Man when procuring young girls

[Spaz]

It’s a weak argument. Nothing has been said about force, so that’s wrong. I also didn’t say anything about men having an entitlement to anything.

I think your point assumes that in preventing polygamy, you’re perverting natural law. I’ve just demonstrated that polygamy is the result of a lack of one sex. Women have had multiple husbands in some societies. Look it up. It’s just more prevalent because historically the death rate of males has been higher.

Pity I missed this earlier otherwise I would have promptly replied.

But 1st clarify what you mean by 'the force.'

 

[Spaz]

If you can’t be arsed to read what you put and discover the relevant context, I can’t be arsed to explain it.

Tsk Tsk Tsk, u r like a newborn baby who has somehow managed grow into a raging bull but without maturing in the least.

 

[fastlife]

I visited my old college campus about a month ago while I was on my hiatus from here. I made 3 cold approaches to girls walking throughout the campus and went 0 for 3. The first approach really made me feel weird though...

I smiled and commented about something she was was wearing and then introduced myself. Then the convo went something like this
Me: Are you single
Her: How old are you?
Me: 28 (I lied through my teeth but that wasn't even good enough(
Her: I'm only 19
Me: ohhh I had no idea, nice meeting you

Now I obviously played that wrong at the end there... but the way she said it was in a 'this is not cool" kind of vibe. The fact that she had to ask my age first also makes me think it matters to young girls. I just felt weird when she said it too, like something wasn't right....

@Reyaj you're extrapolating 'principles' from bad game, over a tiny sample size. And I don't mean this as an insult, but let's look at this convo:

You open with straight intent (that's socially uncalibrated). She's 19. Ya, she's single--if she isn't it's not a serious relationship and isn't worth worrying about. This approach can work, but you have to have frame, which you immediately give up by letting her steer the convo logically before you even make an emotional impact. Then you apologize for showing intent lol. Refuse to entertain anything logical until after you've reach a social or sexual hook point, indicated by compliance.

Logically, she should not be attracted to you. You don't fit in her frame. She can't take you to a frat party. Her friends will judge her. Etc., etc. So you give her an easy out by forcing her to weigh her whole social value in that frame against a total stranger who has done exactly nothing to demonstrate value.

You try to qualify her before she's done anything to show value (asking about her relationship status). That can work, again if your vibe and frame are 100% on point, but it's low probability. You are 40. She is 19. If anything happens, it'll be because of sexual attraction instead of social value. But asking about her relationship status frames things in a societal frame from the open, where you're going to lose 9/10.

The fact that this felt weird to you is an emotional YOU created. Those are YOUR feelings. If she felt weird, it was because YOU FELT WEIRD ABOUT IT AND IT WAS COMING THROUGH YOUR SUB COMMS.

In this situation, I would've just opened like you were a social dude, throwing in a lot of little pushes and disqualifications: Hey, I haven't been here forever. (Low pressure--it gives context to your approach that doesn't force her to make a decision) What's your name? (Social--that's cool there's a frame for this interaction) Oh, cool that's my little sister's name. (Push--Wait, what does that mean? Am I not attractive to him?) Show me around for a second. (Dominance/Asking for compliance--chance to redeem that push) Are you studying to be a bank teller? (Push--she'll have to qualify and will try to clear things up) You're not married are you? (Spike--unexpected and breaks up logic) Cool, I was chilling with a girl one time who didn't tell me she was married and then he got all butt hurt and wanted to fight me. (Disqualifying yourself as trying to date her or something weird).

If she asks you your age, just exaggerate it obviously. I'm 17, but I have my older brother's fake. And then when she says you're lying, exaggerate in the other direction, say you're like 65 and here for the free senior citizen classes. By the time she get your real age out of you, the whole logic behind the question has already been stretched and, well, 40 isn't that bad.

Keep experimenting with it bro. You need to be comfortable with an age gap before you can expect anyone else to.

 

[Reyaj]

@Reyaj you're extrapolating 'principles' from bad game, over a tiny sample size. And I don't mean this as an insult, but let's look at this convo:

You open with straight intent (that's socially uncalibrated). She's 19. Ya, she's single--if she isn't it's not a serious relationship and isn't worth worrying about. This approach can work, but you have to have frame, which you immediately give up by letting her steer the convo logically before you even make an emotional impact. Then you apologize for showing intent lol. Refuse to entertain anything logical until after you've reach a social or sexual hook point, indicated by compliance.

Logically, she should not be attracted to you. You don't fit in her frame. She can't take you to a frat party. Her friends will judge her. Etc., etc. So you give her an easy out by forcing her to weigh her whole social value in that frame against a total stranger who has done exactly nothing to demonstrate value.

You try to qualify her before she's done anything to show value (asking about her relationship status). That can work, again if your vibe and frame are 100% on point, but it's low probability. You are 40. She is 19. If anything happens, it'll be because of sexual attraction instead of social value. But asking about her relationship status frames things in a societal frame from the open, where you're going to lose 9/10.

The fact that this felt weird to you is an emotional YOU created. Those are YOUR feelings. If she felt weird, it was because YOU FELT WEIRD ABOUT IT AND IT WAS COMING THROUGH YOUR SUB COMMS.

In this situation, I would've just opened like you were a social dude, throwing in a lot of little pushes and disqualifications: Hey, I haven't been here forever. (Low pressure--it gives context to your approach that doesn't force her to make a decision) What's your name? (Social--that's cool there's a frame for this interaction) Oh, cool that's my little sister's name. (Push--Wait, what does that mean? Am I not attractive to him?) Show me around for a second. (Dominance/Asking for compliance--chance to redeem that push) Are you studying to be a bank teller? (Push--she'll have to qualify and will try to clear things up) You're not married are you? (Spike--unexpected and breaks up logic) Cool, I was chilling with a girl one time who didn't tell me she was married and then he got all butt hurt and wanted to fight me. (Disqualifying yourself as trying to date her or something weird).

If she asks you your age, just exaggerate it obviously. I'm 17, but I have my older brother's fake. And then when she says you're lying, exaggerate in the other direction, say you're like 65 and here for the free senior citizen classes. By the time she get your real age out of you, the whole logic behind the question has already been stretched and, well, 40 isn't that bad.

Keep experimenting with it bro. You need to be comfortable with an age gap before you can expect anyone else to.

Hey thanks for the feedback. I completely admit my game/approach was off so I'm not going to argue that at all. That wasn't the point of my thread though, it was that a man's age can matter to a younger girl. No doubt its a minuscule sample size but none the less it happend. There seems to be a common belief on this forum (and probably beyond) that middle aged men are attractive to younger women, I'm trying to experiment and confirm or debunk this first hand. Sure if my game was tighter on that approach and I used different techniques its possible I may have been able to get her, but again my point was that my age in and of itself created a hurdle.

She could have brushed me off with any response... "I have a boyfriend", "Sorry I'm not interested" "Sorry I have to get going" etc... But the fact that she asked my age meant the potential gap was relevant to her.

The reason I responded sorry at the end was because I had this ignominious feeling come over me... Whether it was warranted or not it's just plain how I felt. If I could go back in time I'd probably try to change it to a qualifying frame... maybe say something like "oh wow are you mature for your age?" or something like that..

Anyway I plan on doing some more experiments so we'll see what happens. I did make out with a few 21-22 year old girls about a year ago out in nightlife bars/clubs... obviously a different ambiance though. I was planning on going out tonight to try but ended up watching pugilism instead.

 

[Don Pepot]

Hi guys.

Im turning 36 this december and ive been with women mostly 7++ younger than me. The youngest is 18 whom ive f*cked for about 6 months ago. Most of them dont know my age 1st and they assume that im about 26 to 28 years old.

I look young at my age. I dress young that my peers look like way ahead of me. Maybe im just on the VAPe business and mostly my all of my friend and acquaintance are 10 years younger.

5 years ago, i look like 36 than today. Ist i am a alchoholic, second i dont know game, third im a fcking loser. I did turn it around all those in half a decade. Lose 30++kgs, quit my job and start a hussle, got out of the countryside and went straight to the city to build a empire, and learn game here at sosuave and all the the books i can read. Its a great ride eventually..

Age is just a number. As long as they dont know how old you are and youre young looking they will be willing to spread their legs for you. Im in the middle of the city and the logistics are at my advantage. If i made a move to them, and they ask my age... i just gave them a answer to guess it. If they are still at doubt,i dont answer them i just give them a smirk and tell them "maybe you didnt have yet a experience from a mature guy". After which.. we will have a few nights together i will tell them how old i really am. Its funny, my 18 year old called me "fck me uncle, before" lol. And mostly, these chicks they are with a guy the second or third time, it means their 1st boyfriend dont have a clue about how to have sex very well. Even tho, they know im that old now, i think... it doesnt matter how old i am. But they are keep on telling me to get married... i just smile, and tell them i have still dreams to pursue... buy a house in tne city, and open lots of vape stores from city to city. I just tell them my dreams and they keep their mouth shut after.

These chicks that i am into now is, 27 is the oldest. I have a 22 years old, 21 and 25. I do have spares who still contact me from the past and they are 18, and 26. Include the tinder girls, i mean there are a lot.

Im kinda like the alpha on my pack. My costumers are around the age of 18 to 23. So, if people are around me most of them they look at me as a senior. So there it is.. these are my experience. And it helps that i have a car. And having a car in the 3rd world country certainly helps. (Philippines)

 

[fastlife]

Hey thanks for the feedback. I completely admit my game/approach was off so I'm not going to argue that at all. That wasn't the point of my thread though, it was that a man's age can matter to a younger girl. No doubt its a minuscule sample size but none the less it happend. There seems to be a common belief on this forum (and probably beyond) that middle aged men are attractive to younger women, I'm trying to experiment and confirm or debunk this first hand. Sure if my game was tighter on that approach and I used different techniques its possible I may have been able to get her, but again my point was that my age in and of itself created a hurdle.

She could have brushed me off with any response... "I have a boyfriend", "Sorry I'm not interested" "Sorry I have to get going" etc... But the fact that she asked my age meant the potential gap was relevant to her.

The reason I responded sorry at the end was because I had this ignominious feeling come over me... Whether it was warranted or not it's just plain how I felt. If I could go back in time I'd probably try to change it to a qualifying frame... maybe say something like "oh wow are you mature for your age?" or something like that..

Anyway I plan on doing some more experiments so we'll see what happens. I did make out with a few 21-22 year old girls about a year ago out in nightlife bars/clubs... obviously a different ambiance though. I was planning on going out tonight to try but ended up watching pugilism instead.

Each of us have a narrative running in our head about who we are, what we like, how we are, and what each decision we make says about us. This is social conditioning. However, we often act against our social conditioning when emotions take over.

Very few 18 y/o girls wake up thinking, "I'm going to hook up with a 40 y/o stranger tonight." From a social conditioning perspective, old guys that like young girls are 'creepy.' Old people are 'lame'--like her dad or whatever. She probably hasn't ever met an attractive older guy, so you're lumped in with the older guys she has met. BUT that doesn't mean that she won't be attracted to a guy who's dominant, who presses her emotional buttons, etc., etc, even if he's 20+ years older than him. But, by default, you're starting out at a disadvantage. Only a small fraction of girls in that age range wake up admitting to themselves they like older guys.

If you're pressing the right buttons, she won't ask you how old you are--since she's too worried she'll disqualify herself.

That said, you won't get every girl in that age range. You will be too old for some of them, and their social conditioning will be too much to overcome even if she is attracted to you. But you can greatly boost your odds by focusing on emotions instead of facts.

 

[malz1]

Yea... I just lie dude. I'm not letting the chance of smashing prime psy go away just bcus of some learned programming of "eww you're old." Women do it all the time to men anyway lol. You're both adults.

Or you can be the respectful nice guy that smashes over-used goods?

 

[Reyaj]

Each of us have a narrative running in our head about who we are, what we like, how we are, and what each decision we make says about us. This is social conditioning. However, we often act against our social conditioning when emotions take over.

Very few 18 y/o girls wake up thinking, "I'm going to hook up with a 40 y/o stranger tonight." From a social conditioning perspective, old guys that like young girls are 'creepy.' Old people are 'lame'--like her dad or whatever. She probably hasn't ever met an attractive older guy, so you're lumped in with the older guys she has met. BUT that doesn't mean that she won't be attracted to a guy who's dominant, who presses her emotional buttons, etc., etc, even if he's 20+ years older than him. But, by default, you're starting out at a disadvantage. Only a small fraction of girls in that age range wake up admitting to themselves they like older guys.

If you're pressing the right buttons, she won't ask you how old you are--since she's too worried she'll disqualify herself.

That said, you won't get every girl in that age range. You will be too old for some of them, and their social conditioning will be too much to overcome even if she is attracted to you. But you can greatly boost your odds by focusing on emotions instead of facts.

All true.

Yea... I just lie dude. I'm not letting the chance of smashing prime psy go away just bcus of some learned programming of "eww you're old." Women do it all the time to men anyway lol. You're both adults.

Or you can be the respectful nice guy that smashes over-used goods?

Me too lol

 

[jimmy_scandal]

Your appearance, rather than your actual age, is what matters most. I'm 40+ and I attract women and girls of all ages. This includes college and high school girls.

You have to use common sense, obviously, There are some super hot girls who are 16 and 17 and I have to exercise reasonable caution here.

It is very, very important to take care of yourself, and that means eliminating most of the stupid, toxic behaviors that swallow up the majority of the population. This means tobacco, alcohol, fast food, grocery store junk food, smartphone addiction, and so on. It comes down to discipline. Are you gonna be the fat ass that sits on the couch swallowing doritos and gulps down soda and worships sport idols or are you going to eat right, stay on a fitness regimen, and live the lifestyle that allows you to BE the sports idol?

 

[Suave88]

Age means ****..... It is all about your look and your karma. When I was younger in my 20s, I died to have sex with an older lady. I was 21 years old when I met a 39 years old lady. She was 18 years older than me and was appeling. She was divorced and had two daughters. She was a co-worker. I am still like older women. But I also enjoy the company of young females. Some young girls who cannot have children or have too many children may be willing to date an older guy. In my opinion, he needs to be good looking. Money may and may not be a factor. But sometimes does. Look at Precident Trump and Melaine. Age gap is 24 years.

 

[Reyaj]

Your appearance, rather than your actual age, is what matters most. I'm 40+ and I attract women and girls of all ages. This includes college and high school girls.

You have to use common sense, obviously, There are some super hot girls who are 16 and 17 and I have to exercise reasonable caution here.

It is very, very important to take care of yourself, and that means eliminating most of the stupid, toxic behaviors that swallow up the majority of the population. This means tobacco, alcohol, fast food, grocery store junk food, smartphone addiction, and so on. It comes down to discipline. Are you gonna be the fat ass that sits on the couch swallowing doritos and gulps down soda and worships sport idols or are you going to eat right, stay on a fitness regimen, and live the lifestyle that allows you to BE the sports idol?

Completely agree you should try to be optimally healthy. But I'm pointing out that when a girl find's out your significantly older it could turn her off.

But sometimes does. Look at Precident Trump and Melaine. Age gap is 24 years.

Seriously brother?

 

[malz1]

Completely agree you should try to be optimally healthy. But I'm pointing out that when a girl find's out your significantly older it could turn her off.

Yep. When I returned to college girls that were into me who learned of my age after I told them suddenly became disinterested. This wont be the case for every girl but just incase I decided to let them assume my age and/or lie. If you look young you've been truly blessed in the college world. Soo many fresh potentials I'm accumulating in my fkk basket I get excited thinking about it. Smooth skin, high sex drive, etc.

Women lie too so dont feel too bad.

 

[Reyaj]

Yep. When I returned to college girls that were into me who learned of my age after I told them suddenly became disinterested. This wont be the case for every girl but just incase I decided to let them assume my age and/or lie. If you look young you've been truly blessed in the college world. Soo many fresh potentials I'm accumulating in my fkk basket I get excited thinking about it. Smooth skin, high sex drive, etc.

Women lie too so dont feel too bad.

I never do, I think Fred Durst said it best... "I did it all for the nookie.."

 

[Mazer]

I have had my share of women half my age (41). Worked with a few twenty year olds and we would meet up for drinks where they would bring along female friends. It’s true, a young woman must have admiration towards an older man in order for him to be successful. It also helps if you have a personality that matches theirs. I find having a playful attitude goes a long way with women of any age.

 

[Reyaj]

I think can be a tough sell for a lot of young women, which is why you've 1) got to be cool about it, 2) deflect it early with jokes and b.s. and 3) give her a chance to get to know you. If you're the Model DJ with charm and a healthy lifestyle you can seduce young.

Also remember that a younger woman might be open to a fling with an older guy that's not front page news. Plus a good slice of females have this fantasy and may be interested in acting on it.

I think confidence, solid game, and seduction skills can overcome most female obstacles. I am just hypothesizing that an age gap can be one of them. Albeit there are some girls that do want an older man but I wonder what the percentage is and at what age demographics does it apply to either sex. I did know a girl a while back who pursued only older men.. she was in her mid 20's I believe.. Yet my recent experiences have shown several women feeling it was an issue.

I think being playful and cool about it is a good approach from a sanity perspective but I think if you are trying to seduce you may be best served making her qualify herself. I like to go with the "Are you mature?" response because it puts her in the needing to validate frame.

I'll be visiting a college night life scene this Thursday evening and I plan on making some approaches... I'll post back here with the results for sure.

 

[jimmy_scandal]

Night game, esp. college night game, is based almost exclusively on looks and/or status. By status, I mean D1 elite athlete, preferably pro bound. And looks trump status. Game matters a little bit, but aside from basic social skills and run of the mill intuition, there isn't much "game" required.

For most guys who are sympathetic to PUA, gaming almost always means overgaming.

Very often, the game is already won or lost well before you even enter a room. The question is, where do you rank on the looks scale? This is the most important factor. Ignore anyone who says otherwise.

The confidence meme is just so oversold and overhyped. It still saturates PUA and PUA lite thinking and distracts from the real truth: looks trump confidence. PUA's and their defenders will constantly lie through their teeth: "I saw a fat ugly guy pull a 10 off a male model 20x this week" but never have any evidence of this.

 

[redskinsfan92]

A man's peak year for smv is his late 30s. Doesn't mean he will pull 19 year olds.

 

[redskinsfan92]

Shes right. Here are some stats:
Age difference in heterosexual married couples, 2013 US Current Population Survey[1]
Age difference Percentage of all married couples
Husband 20+ years older than wife
1.0
Husband 15–19 years older than wife
1.6
Husband 10–14 years older than wife
4.8
Husband 6–9 years older than wife
11.6
Husband 4–5 years older than wife
13.3
Husband 2–3 years older than wife
20.4
Husband and wife within 1 year
3 years older than wife
20.4
Husband and wife within 1 year
33.2
Wife 2–3 years older than husband
6.5
Wife 4–5 years older than husband
3.3
Wife 6–9 years older than husband
2.7
Wife 10–14 years older than husband
1.0
Wife 15–19 years older than husband
0.3
Wife 20+ years older than husband

So 7.4% of marriages the husband is 10+ yrs. And 19% husband is 6+ yrs.

That's marriage. Is marriage the goal around here? Certainly isn't for me.

 

[redskinsfan92]

of course it would be rude to ask lol. But how many middle aged men do people see dating and marrying 21 year old hotties? I don’t see that many.
People should be free to date and marry who they want to date and marry. I don’t care who dates who but I’m going by what I see. Sorry but to read it here in the mansophere it would appear that middle aged men are being chased down by hot collages aged students or feel they are entitled to them.
Now not saying that some aren’t being chased down but the average middle aged man isn’t, and there’s a lot more average middle aged men than there are middle aged men who are being chased by college aged hotties.

Most people, men and women, are average. There’s a lot of puffing up that happens online and not just on the mansophere. A one time platonic coffee date becomes a plate, that kind of thing.

If a 40 yr old man can attract young hotties that’s awesome, but he’s an exception, not the rule.

I have known many middle aged men having sexual relations with women in their 20s. Marriage was never the goal.

 

[redskinsfan92]

I would rather have a male boss for sure. Yeah that’s very true what you’re saying. Some exceptions of course. But men seem to be more laid back in leadership positions then women I find.

One draw back for polygamy would be the amount of men who would have no access to prime women. If we look at polygamy through the ages (the way I suspect men are thinking when they talk about bringing it back), the economy was much different, women had little to no access to resources and only a select group of privileged men had multiple wives and harems. The average man, which is the majority of men would not be one of those privileged men.

Back then there were less men because they died in battle. Today we have almost equal numbers in many counties with many countries actually having more men.

Let’s say we reverted things back to 700 yrs ago with the amount of men we have now. Prime women with would use their SMV to latch onto the richest men and join his harem of wives. That’s a lot of average men with no access to prime women to marry.

Look at Utah where polygamy occurs in the FLDS cults. In those communities it’s the select in group of old guys who collect the best of the women, and they drive out the young men as to make the choice for young women even more limited.

In places like Saudi Arabia where single average men have zero access to women and are basically discriminated against they turn to each other for sexual release and are prime candidates for terrorism recruitment.

So men don’t fair well with no access to women, just like women don’t fair well with no access to men. There’s a reason why we are drawn to each other, after all.

Women are already trying to latch onto the top 20%. Nothing about our instincts has changed. The hindrbrain operates as if it is still 1200 BC