Age May Matter for a Man when procuring young girls

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I visited my old college campus about a month ago while I was on my hiatus from here. I made 3 cold approaches to girls walking throughout the campus and went 0 for 3. The first approach really made me feel weird though...

I smiled and commented about something she was was wearing and then introduced myself. Then the convo went something like this
Me: Are you single :)
Her: How old are you?
Me: 28 (I lied through my teeth but that wasn't even good enough(
Her: I'm only 19
Me: ohhh I had no idea, nice meeting you

Now I obviously played that wrong at the end there... but the way she said it was in a 'this is not cool" kind of vibe. The fact that she had to ask my age first also makes me think it matters to young girls. I just felt weird when she said it too, like something wasn't right....
 
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Yes, age Is a problem when they’re that young and you’re twice their age, unless they’re looking for a daddy…
 

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Yes, age Is a problem when they’re that young and you’re twice their age, unless they’re looking for a daddy…
I'm like 40 so I even said I was 28 and it was a problem for her lol
 

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I'm like 40 so I even said I was 28 and it was a problem for her lol
And I’m sure she believed what you said, but you may visually look to her old enough to be one of her dad’s friends.
 

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And I’m sure she believed what you said, but you may visually look to her old enough to be one of her dad’s friends.
Interesting... It seemed like the age number itself though was the problem...
 

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There are some girls who have no issues dating older guys who may bring something to the table that young guys their age may not. There’s an appeal there if he’s fit and looks young for his age and has some charm, for sure.

But there seems to be a wide spread belief in the manosphere that men will always be able to pull young girls no matter how old they are. How many 45+ year olds (excluding sex tourists, expats in poor countries, and sugar daddies) are actually dating hot 19/20/21 year old girls regularly?

Really is it any surprise if a random 19yr old girl doesn’t want to f**k a much older man?
 

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Welcome to reality gents. I know when I was 18-22 I thought older guys in their 30s and 40s were creepy AF.

There is also the specter that young women who will go for a much older dude do so expressly for transactional reasons. In other words she’s not into you from a desire standpoint, but rather she’s into what you can do for her. Very different (not good) mind set.

The other night one of the men who approached me owned an oil & gas company. He was a gentleman, intelligent, sophisticated and high class. Rich. He was also too old (Id guess in his 70s). He had been quite handsome in his day. That much was apparent. However no way I’d get physical with him. Ick. So I declined him in his offer to take me out. We had a nice conversation and I excused myself to go mingle elsewhere.

Lots of women (particularly in my age bracket) would have been all over this man. But sexual desire is a top...TOP priority to me. No desire? I’m out. I don’t care who you are not how rich or any of that.

Young women who are well adjusted seek mates in their youth who they can pair off with and build a life with.

The young women who will date a dad bod Big Neil type? They are opportunists for one, and have a whole other set of issues to deal with.

Can it work for a much older guy and a much younger woman?

It can, but less often than you’d think, at least in the US. I always looked at age spread and would think to myself...

What happens when I’m 40 & he’s 60 needing knee replacements or a C-Pap? Or when I’m 50 & he’s 70 and has ED that Viagra won’t touch?

Meh. I’ll take someone I can traverse life with & deal with aging in the same frame of reference. Smart well adjusted women actually do think this way.

Maybe nobody wants to hear that...but it’s true.

There’s a reason middle aged men go to very poor countries to hook much younger beautiful women. Because the guy wants hot...and the girl wants a ticket out.

Transactional at its core & not desire driven from the woman’s perspective.

Not what you want to hear maybe. Time comes for all gentlemen. Even for men.
 

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Welcome to reality gents. I know when I was 18-22 I thought older guys in their 30s and 40s were creepy AF.

There is also the specter that young women who will go for a much older dude do so expressly for transactional reasons. In other words she’s not into you from a desire standpoint, but rather she’s into what you can do for her. Very different (not good) mind set.

The other night one of the men who approached me owned an oil & gas company. He was a gentleman, intelligent, sophisticated and high class. Rich. He was also too old (Id guess in his 70s). He had been quite handsome in his day. That much was apparent. However no way I’d get physical with him. Ick. So I declined him in his offer to take me out. We had a nice conversation and I excused myself to go mingle elsewhere.

Lots of women (particularly in my age bracket) would have been all over this man. But sexual desire is a top...TOP priority to me. No desire? I’m out. I don’t care who you are not how rich or any of that.

Young women who are well adjusted seek mates in their youth who they can pair off with and build a life with.

The young women who will date a dad bod Big Neil type? They are opportunists for one, and have a whole other set of issues to deal with.

Can it work for a much older guy and a much younger woman?

It can, but less often than you’d think, at least in the US. I always looked at age spread and would think to myself...

What happens when I’m 40 & he’s 60 needing knee replacements or a C-Pap? Or when I’m 50 & he’s 70 and has ED that Viagra won’t touch?

Meh. I’ll take someone I can traverse life with & deal with aging in the same frame of reference. Smart well adjusted women actually do think this way.

Maybe nobody wants to hear that...but it’s true.

There’s a reason middle aged men go to very poor countries to hook much younger beautiful women. Because the guy wants hot...and the girl wants a ticket out.

Transactional at its core & not desire driven from the woman’s perspective.

Not what you want to hear maybe. Time comes for all gentlemen. Even for men.
I agree for the most part. For the most part its transactional based. You dont think ANY younger babes desired her man that was 10 or 15 yrs older? Some of them dont prefer an older man for whatever reason?
 

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I agree for the most part. For the most part its transactional based. You dont think ANY younger babes desired her man that was 10 or 15 yrs older? Some of them dont prefer an older man for whatever reason?
If a guy appears younger than his age he will have no problem holding the desire of a woman 10-15 years younger.
 

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Its better to stay within 5 yrs. You can slay younger consistently If your established and are fit with good looks you can slay hoez coming to seek resources but give them NOTHING.

Once youve handed money for a sex act youve traded respect and some of your SMV "swag". Because if your sexually worthy you dont pay.
 

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If a guy appears younger than his age he will have no problem holding the desire of a woman 10-15 years younger.
Agree. But men who truly age well are rare. It takes good genetics, self discipline in eating right/working out and perhaps a little help a la Guru. Most men by 45 have lost hair or gone gray and or developed a beer belly or dad bod.

I know plenty of men who keep themselves up but percentagewise compared to the general male population it’s a small percent.
 

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Agree. But men who truly age well are rare. It takes good genetics, self discipline in eating right/working out and perhaps a little help a la Guru. Most men by 45 have lost hair or gone gray and or developed a beer belly or dad bod.

I know plenty of men who keep themselves up but percentagewise compared to the general male population it’s a small percent.
That’s why it’s so noticeable when you do see an older man looking fine. Same with older women who look fine. They stand out amongst their peers.
 
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Me: Are you single :)
Her: How old are you?
Me: 28 (I lied through my teeth but that wasn't even good enough(
Her: I'm only 19
Me: ohhh I had no idea, nice meeting you
I'd have to say, and this maybe my lack of PUA, but the bee-line to "Are you single" was probably a creep-out coming from someone who clearly was several tiers above her age group. Hell, to a 19y/o, even 28 is waaay older. When I was 19, I couldn't even fathom myself becoming 25 never mind 30. The time-horizons in that age group are still incredibly short.

I agree with @BeExcellent to a large degree. A young woman in her early-20's is overwhelmingly likely to date within her own age group, and to some degree, what matters more is demographic (still in college vs out in the real world, etc). And you don't have to think too hard to project into the future that would give most people pause about a LTR.

I also don't think DJ/PUA techniques are going to be effective. The times I've been in large-gap relationships (or the ones I've witnessed) are more often a matter of the two people meeting organically. A shared activity, group, etc, where over time the inner person they are starts to be more visible than does the age difference.
 

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There is zero issue in physically attracting women 15—25 years my junior. And that’s with looks alone. The status/wealth is a bonus.

Though age does bug them out a bit when they do find out (months later), but they always come back around.

The age is not really point of contention as much as how one looks for his age. Most men don’t age well after 40, so to see the 45 yo with the 21yo model (as AJ put it) is rare.

I like rare. Strive to be an outlier.
 

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There is zero issue in terms of physically attracting women 15—25 years my junior. And that’s with looks alone. The status/wealth is a bonus.

Though age does bug them out a bit when they do find out (months later), but they always come back around.

The age is not really point of contention as much as how one looks for his age. Most men don’t age well after 40, so to see the 45 yo with the 21yo model (as AJ put it) is rare.

I like rare. Strive to be an outlier.
How old are you?
 
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When I was in my early 20s and I heard one of our friends was 27 it felt like he was old as fvck, I guess thats the mindset people in early 20s have.

Right now in my mid 30s, I see my old 27 yrs old one almost as a kid.

I think the fact when it comes of age difference is if it comes up before or after she has the chance to see you for who you are, if she knows you first then finds out about your age its fine but if even before you speak she puts in the "too old to date" zone, you're done.
 

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Welcome to reality gents. I know when I was 18-22 I thought older guys in their 30s and 40s were creepy AF.

There is also the specter that young women who will go for a much older dude do so expressly for transactional reasons. In other words she’s not into you from a desire standpoint, but rather she’s into what you can do for her. Very different (not good) mind set.

The other night one of the men who approached me owned an oil & gas company. He was a gentleman, intelligent, sophisticated and high class. Rich. He was also too old (Id guess in his 70s). He had been quite handsome in his day. That much was apparent. However no way I’d get physical with him. Ick. So I declined him in his offer to take me out. We had a nice conversation and I excused myself to go mingle elsewhere.
Well, 70 year old man can't really do much w/o Viagra.

30-something and 19 year old woman is a different story really. It was perfectly normal most of human history - same age relationships are idea that started around romanticsm era.
 

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I agree with Reyaj that it can matter. Men have a wall, too.

But I've had good success (I almost said 'luck') with young women, which has emboldened me to keep trying for them.

Part of it is I still work out at 43. Although I have a few extra pounds I'm trying to lose, I guess I carry them well.

I'm also blessed with a full head of hair and not too many wrinkles, good teeth, etc. I treat myself well on top of all of that, am generally happy, and people tell me I look 35 or so. I dress well, without trying to look younger, if that makes sense. A local here recommended I lie to girls about my age, but I'd rather just own it. Besides, the truth is a lot easier to remember.

In fact, lately I've been striking out with 20-somethings, and my only guess is it's because I'm running the wrong game and need to fix it. If they think I'm too old, that's cool, their prerogative, but you can find a lot of girls looking for an older dude.
 

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Meh. I’ll take someone I can traverse life with & deal with aging in the same frame of reference. Smart well adjusted women actually do think this way.
Your post has a lot of truth, but you're also taking your personal experience and scaling it up to women in general...solipsism as they call it. Not to mention you're shaming women who prefer older men by default - they aren't necessarily dumb and poorly-adjusted.
 
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