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This is why betas fail every timeNope, touch them first but it can be anything.. Shaking hands, sharing a small couch, high 5's, whatever you do though, do it with confidence as if you already know she wants you to do it, otherwise you come across as an insecure creep.
Especially betas it always fails for betasThe short answer is both will work but I think it has more to do with your personality as to which you choose. I'm very muscular, full of testosterone and aggressive both in terms of actions and looks. I always touch first and get very good results from it. However I do it in a relaxed manner, as part of conversation and it seems completely normal.
It works for me because it comes across congruent to my personality, how I act, and what the woman is expecting. It comes across as natural for me to do that.
I think if others tried the same thing it might not work as well if they have a different personality than me, or if the woman is expecting something else.
Either way, both methods work, so choose the one that fits your personality best.
Doc's got class. Most pua's seem sleezy.So I am a confessed grabber. Between being tall and a good talker I normally get the desired results, eject or progress.
But I d love to know how the nonchalant crowd do it. I m an analyst by trade so fish/water. I ve asked on a heap of threads and never got any specific answers.
@wifehunter I m curious if u don't escalate physically on a date how do u screen out time wasters?
And how do u escalate non-physically to avoid being friend zoned.
Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.
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Not true, I used to touch first all the time, without apologies and did whatever I wanted. It got me labeled as a bad boy, and it made them want to have sex with me, so I'm disagreeing with thatDoc's got class. Most pua's seem sleezy.
Be a catch, and never end up in the friend zone.
If she thinks all you want is sex, you're done.
Hand hold is huge, it means she yields to you and that she trusts you.I find it a good sign when a woman holds my hand for a good time.
I'm glad you pointed that out, they want all the attention... I'm still not super good with them. I mean if they want you like a piece of meat it's easy, but sometimes they lay back and if you go to them they will back off, it's like messing with a cat and I still don't have the process down for AW's.Depends on the girl. An AW will lose interest if you're too aggressive
What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.
You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.
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