soulforge
Master Don Juan
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Begs the question... Why did you get yourself into a relationship with a girl with this many red flagsoutside of maybe two or three of these… literally all my exes
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Begs the question... Why did you get yourself into a relationship with a girl with this many red flagsoutside of maybe two or three of these… literally all my exes
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Numbers 4, 7 and 10 make the average millenial girl.01. Obsessed with social media
02. No father figure in her Life
03. Involvement in p0rn or modelling
04. Claims to have been graped
05. Identifies as a feminist
06. Has leftist liberal values
07. Rude/bicchy attitude
08. Suffers from depression or on meds
09. Claims all her exes are Aholes or toxic
10. Terrible communicator
An attractive woman with no red flags? i dont think its impossible but its gonna be super hard to find, pull & keep around.Ha ha a lot of good examples but I have a challenge for you all: an attractive women with none of these red flags.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
There's a problem: this woman can't exist and be single at the same time. Completely impossible.An attractive woman with no red flags? i dont think its impossible but its gonna be super hard to find, pull & keep around.
You would have to both "be the best version of yourself" and luck out (right time and place). If we change "attractive" to "at least passes the boner test" then there is a slightly better chance.
Strictly out of curiosity I find 5. strange. You are in your 40s or 50s right? You've started seeing people around you pass away in all liklihood. As I've reached my 50s, lost my parents, other relatives and some friends, I've reached the conclusion that "stuff" or "things" don't matter and you cannot take them with you when you die.1. Tries to change what you planned for a date.
2. Sharing too much too soon.
3. She b1tches about her exes.
4. She is messy.. messy car, messy purse, messy home.
5. Too much overseas travel. This is a big one... vacations take priority over everything else. This demonstrates a willingness to spend money on meaningless stupidity.
6. Too religious (unless you are religious yourself, I suppose) as an agnostic I find this annoying.
7. She has a drug or drinking habit.
8. Can't put her fvcking phone down.
9. No eye contact.
10. Is boring and doesn't put in an effort on a date.
I turn 57 this week!Strictly out of curiosity I find 5. strange. You are in your 40s or 50s right? You've started seeing people around you pass away in all liklihood. As I've reached my 50s, lost my parents, other relatives and some friends, I've reached the conclusion that "stuff" or "things" don't matter and you cannot take them with you when you die.
Based on the above I have arrived at the conclusion that the important things in life are the relationships you build, the experiences you have or share with others, and the quality of those 2 things. A distant 3rd for me are achievements/accomplishments.
While I agree that someone who travels to party is one thing, it's quite something else if someone is traveling to see certain cultural, regional or geographic things. Many people work for years to have the means to go on safari in Africa or see Antartica for example. So if someone is into travel for enrichment in their lives, that's dfferent in my view than going to Tomorrowland or Ibizia, although there are those who find that enriching too I suppose.
I do not buy the mantra of work your ass off all your life, accumulate things/stuff and then die leaving whatever you have for your heirs to sort out or fight over.
I'm already giving things to my kids while I can see them grow & enjoy the things I pass along.
Perhaps its a slightly different philosophy and 5. is very specific to you. I don't find experiences like I mentioned above "stupid." And so much the better if you can share those experiences with those you love.
Just a few musings as the old lady occassionally does.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
I could never even have sex with a single mother if it was a free **** - so much mentally draining baggage to contend with thereThere’s nothing wrong in warning guys to be aware of potential red flags and I wouldn’t say any of my 5 are particularly outrageous.
1) Girls who overshare way too quickly! Like my recent experience of the girl who told me she was raped by her ex on our first date
Pretty much everyone in the topic I created agreed that it’s best to stay away from any girl that brings up a history of rape or other extremely personal topics to be a big red flag and best avoided.
2) Girls who get too emotional way too fast. Last girl I went on a date with started saying things like “I feel like can trust you” “I can tell you anything” “I feel a connection” she said all these things on the first date
Any girl that gets too emotional too fast is likely to be needy or have deep emotional problems. Nobody falls for someone that quickly.
3) Girls covered in tattoos or piercings. If a girl has a single small tattoo that is well hidden I don’t mind. Pierced ears obviously okay.
However several tattoos or piercings is a instant no.
Annoyingly there has been times where I have chatted to a girl off a app or in real life and didn’t think she had tattoos (none noticeable) Then later asks if I have any and she reveals she has several on her back/legs/hips etc that were covered up.
I guess this could go into personal preference as I know some guys like girls covered in tattoos and piercings (personally I find them unattractive and prefer a woman with clear skin)..
However, in my personal experience, girls covered in tattoos and piercings have always been extremely slutty or alcoholics/heavy drug users.
4) Fat women
No explanation needed. No desirable man should ever settle with a fat woman unless he is desperate and cannot do better.
Unless he has a particular fetish for fatties.
5) Single mothers. I know some guys like to use single mums as hookups.. I would rather just avoid altogether.
Single mums are an instant disqualifier for me, no matter how hot she is. Why date a single mum when there are so many single girls with no baggage. Besides I never want kids so why would I raise/pay for some other guys kid?
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.