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Yes.
He speaks of his coach in the present. I see nothing wrong with admitting that the dead are still with you.
If you watched in the videos, his intensity and focus dropped off when he got from under his old coach and management. When Cus was dead, he at least had Teddy Atlas keeping an eye on him, then he fired him when he went to Don King. He put a lot more attention on partying, the world and having fun and that same attention was removed from his passion, causing the decline.
 

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If you watched in the videos, his intensity and focus dropped off when he got from under his old coach and management. When Cus was dead, he at least had Teddy Atlas keeping an eye on him, then he fired him when he went to Don King. He put a lot more attention on partying, the world and having fun and that same attention was removed from his passion, causing the decline.
yes I watched every one plus a few more I subscribed to on yt-its 'free' why not-
But that guy held a g un to his head to teach him a lesson about women. He had to go.
That was probably like family violence in our man's mind.
That was a welldone movie, I'll watch it again. All videos are informative too. Thanks.
 

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yes I watched every one plus a few more I subscribed to on yt-its 'free' why not-
But that guy held a g un to his head to teach him a lesson about women. He had to go.
That was probably like family violence in our man's mind.
That was a welldone movie, I'll watch it again. All videos are informative too. Thanks.
Yea it was a family. The structure proved to be a big difference vs without it. He will need the right person talking to his mind to be successful. I'm pretty sure as a TRUE family man with a son to set an example for that he won't give a shyt about partying, drugs and women this time around. So it'll be easier to keep his attention on the right things. They will resescutate the old ego and mindset deep from the recesses of his mind.
 

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Yea it was a family. The structure proved to be a big difference vs without it. He will need the right person talking to his mind to be successful. I'm pretty sure as a TRUE family man with a son to set an example for that he won't give a shyt about partying, drugs and women this time around. So it'll be easier to keep his attention on the right things. They will resescutate the old ego and mindset deep from the recesses of his mind.
He knows how to believe in himself. Simply review past successes.
He must remember what happens when he's finally in the ring. He relaxes. Knowing he's the champion.
He'll remember his childhood instincts of watching for that flinch that looking away with fear in his opponent's eyes, then he knows he's got em!
Like Cus told him at that house "you don't do something because I told you it was right, you do it because YOU believe its right"

He also has to remember to bend life as he said in his top ten things to live life by.
 
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Men of a certain age (mine, give or take a few) are very, very gay for Tyson. He was already shot at the twilight of his career, didn't have anything for Lewis, Holyfield, or the couple of never-weres who knocked him out at the end. Imagine what 15 years of ring rust has caused. He's not coming back to fight seriously, he's coming back to make some money off exhibition fights with similiarly grizzled gray-bearded dudes. And we, including me, will eat it up like the old days.
 

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Men of a certain age (mine, give or take a few) are very, very gay for Tyson. He was already shot at the twilight of his career, didn't have anything for Lewis, Holyfield, or the couple of never-weres who knocked him out at the end. Imagine what 15 years of ring rust has caused. He's not coming back to fight seriously, he's coming back to make some money off exhibition fights with similiarly grizzled gray-bearded dudes. And we, including me, will eat it up like the old days.
I think he can do better than we think, because at that point in his life when he had his losses he had stopped caring, and he was living like a rockstar, IE: partying including drugs, alcohol and wild women was getting most of his attention.

The pursuits of living like a rockstar, dealing with several women blunt a lot of a MANS DRIVE. Look how it does us? Dealing with even one woman can drop OUR drive, let alone trying to keep up with several.

I believe if he puts his body back together, stays undistracted, trains he can give us something interesting to see.

Oh, and I'd like to see Mayweather vs GGG, or Canelo again. The Mayweather camp is very strategic and will find a way to get it done. I know many don't like the lack of all out brawl fighting style, but it is a style that allows the points to be scored without taking any damage. The guy can hit when he wants, and remain unhit for the most part.
 
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Oh the Washington rape deal. After watching the footage, she did appear to be a wholesome girl with a wholesome dad. When Tyson pulls up at 2 AM in the limo, and she's insistant upon him carrying her around to see other celebrities and Tyson may have been angry, because he wanted to see her, not be her escort to see "other"celebs. So he may have felt like she wanted to "use" him, thus he did what HE wanted.

Irregardless people at that level are targets by various predators including female predators. On the Robin Givens, she cheated on him with half a dozen celebrities or more within the 8 months they were married. And it's verified. That's a shyt ton of stress, she definitely got on Tyson to get boosted up in the world of the famous. It was a gold-digger scenario and not good.

Washington wasn't on that female predatory wavelength as Givens. When I heard her speak, she seemed like the type to see the good in the world.
 
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I always thought Mike was a ferocious fighter, talented.

Having said that, at 53 if he does well, it won't speak so highly of HIS talent , moreso the LACK of talent amongst the under 30 heavyweights.
 

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I always thought Mike was a ferocious fighter, talented.

Having said that, at 53 if he does well, it won't speak so highly of HIS talent , moreso the LACK of talent amongst the under 30 heavyweights.
He was head and shoulders above heavyweights of his time when he stayed out of trouble.
 

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He was head and shoulders above heavyweights of his time when he stayed out of trouble.
I got Holyfield and Lewis ahead of him. In his brief and spotty prime, maybe even Bowe. Guys who weren't scared of Tyson scared Tyson.
 

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I got Holyfield and Lewis ahead of him. In his brief and spotty prime, maybe even Bowe. Guys who weren't scared of Tyson scared Tyson.
He was already done by Holyfield and Lewis. The Robin Givens and Desiree Washington situations took a lot of "stuff" that he never got back. His desire was not the same as when he was younger.
 
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He was already done by Holyfield and Lewis. The Robin Givens and Desiree Washington situations took a lot of "stuff" that he never got back. His desire was not the same as when he was younger.
Holyfield had been in WARS prior to fighting Tyson with better opponents and had a hole in his heart. Holyfield was always tougher than Tyson.
 

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Holyfield had been in WARS prior to fighting Tyson with better opponents and had a hole in his heart. Holyfield was always tougher than Tyson.
This is a good observation. During Tyson's rise he was the one issuing damage. He was never pressed so you can determine his will to win in a sitation that had more equity. His wins were due to being dominant. So you are right, Holyfield has a stronger will to win in a "close" situation where his is not completely dominant.
 

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This is a good observation. During Tyson's rise he was the one issuing damage. He was never pressed so you can determine his will to win in a sitation that had more equity. His wins were due to being dominant. So you are right, Holyfield has a stronger will to win in a "close" situation where his is not completely dominant.
Incredible talent, had it all to be it all. But was lacking the will and the mindset.
 

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He had a lot of insight I never even know he had. In one of his videos his coaches were showing him videos of the greats back to the mid 1800's, Tyson realized they were "normal people". "Normal people" who decided who they wanted to be in life and trained religiously to get to that level. Very good observation.
 

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In the videos with him and Robin Givens, over time she had him in the "minor" position, as if she was more powerful than he. You can see it on interviews. He had to put up with a lot of emotional crap from her, and also to be cheated on endlessly with other celebrities. That takes a lot out of a man. I wonder if she cvcked him too... That was never mentioned.
 
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