So this is what these forums apparently have turned into. Sad to see.
Honestly, looking at this I (and probably anybody who has been out actually doing this stuff) can tell that a good amount of you aren't even remotely out practicing this in the real world. If you did, you wouldn't have time for such petty, silly squabbling. Of all the people that I know who are living a happy and connected life, including the men that are having a great time with women, NONE of them have the time or inclination to waste such time.
Seeing the absolutist terms in which some of you state things across the forums, seeing words like "incel" etc, tells me all that I need to know. Nothing will change for you while you just lurk on the internet learning and debating theory. Seriously.
You can't even argue and insult your way out of this because it's as obvious as a group of 400 lb guys pretending to be fitness experts. IT'S OBVIOUS.
I've said my piece here (intermittently over the years) but now, I'm done. This was like a depressing 20th-anniversary high school reunion. My intention here was to try to bring value from a place of having grown and seeing that it's possible. To encourage. And now I see that it doesn't matter, which is fine. No one has to agree with or like anything that I have to say. But, I HAVE ACTUALLY DONE IT...which is what this is all about, is it not?
If you feel that this is directed at you, I'm curious: What exactly are you trying to achieve? It's not success with women or in life, that's for sure. Best to be honest and own up to it.
Good luck to you all. I hope that you eventually decide to get off the internet, out of the basement and into the real world.