Master Don Juan
- Dec 21, 2017
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Bro put up with her shyt, she will eventually cave in to you.
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In the 2 cases Im thinking of, I'm certain both men are very low value. In one case, whenever he has a girlfriend, he disappears from our friend group - complete dedication to the woman. In both cases, they have made a woman the focus of their lives, and even worse, as both are quite lazy, the woman is actually making more money.Are you certain he is low value and she is high? Sometimes we can read the dynamic is off.
I cant tell you how many times a guy can paint himself Alpha while being with the guys anf beta while with the girl. Her anxiety says other wise when you hang out with them.
Patterns are easy to recognize but RP is definately a requirement.
What @GioWolf said, plus timing. It wasn't that the guy was 'persistent' or anything he did, the chick changed... Something happened in her life to give the guy another look. I've seen it happen... it happened with my sister, she's been married to the same guy for 36 years... but before she married him, he chased after her for 2 years... IN COLLEGE... passing up any number of women, waiting on my sister. My sister was dating... you guessed it... a complete jerk (funny how that sh1t happens). One day... jerk boy did something that was the straw and Mary was gone... and there was John.... waiting like a little puppy.I agree it doesn't work 98% of the time - but how do you explain when it does work? We all know couples where the guy chased and chased and eventually wore her down. My friend's ex is now with someone how chased for like 8 months. She's attractive and mid 20s. I know of another couple like that too. Being persistent is a terrible idea but the exceptions are hard to explain.
The problem with this (besides what we here on SS would say about being a desperate chump/orbiter) is that it clashes with the mainstream motto that "no means no", so it's a conflicting message.I agree and I think this happens quite often or used to at least outside of the SS crowd. I've talked to several married people about how they met and a good majority of the females I talked to all said that they weren't interested in their now husbands initially.
This can often go back to the fact that we always say that women don't know what they want. If you are just appearing as another avg guy or in front of her for looks only, she won't know what kind of guy you really are as you appear to be just like everyone else. She also can't gauge your interest and commitment level. However if you're persistent, you are basically shoving down her throat who you are and forcing her to get to know the real you and showing her that you are focused and committed to making it happen. There's a chance that she can like you more after she gets to know you(I'm talking about beyond the first few dates or weeks).
Good observations. Im not sure you can deprogram guys in those situations. The RP actions these guys need to take just is not in their frame ATM.In the 2 cases Im thinking of, I'm certain both men are very low value. In one case, whenever he has a girlfriend, he disappears from our friend group - complete dedication to the woman. In both cases, they have made a woman the focus of their lives, and even worse, as both are quite lazy, the woman is actually making more money.
I ask because one of these guys is a close relation and I want to somehow help him "before the trainwreck". So it helps to understand why these relationships seem to "work" - both relationships are 10+ years. It's only since being RPed that I see major trouble for these guys.
I agree in having to be quick in today's society. Pursuing is something that has mainly worked in the past before OLD.High mutual physical attraction may not have to be instant (love at first sight), but should come very early and very naturally once you start talking to her and interacting with her.
I have seen girls write that they like to be pursued, or even expect to be pursued, but I don't think that really works in the #metoo era. Or, to the extent that it does work, the girl was already interested, or at least intrigued.
It's fine to court a girl (dating), but in my experience, the girl has to be quite interested to even agree to a coffee date or to go out for an ice cream cone or to watch a movie.
It's fine to pursue a relationship - dating. I think it's risky and doesn't really work to pursue a first date - she probably just isn't interested.
I agree that it likely won't work in today's society, especially with the #metoo movement.The problem with this (besides what we here on SS would say about being a desperate chump/orbiter) is that it clashes with the mainstream motto that "no means no", so it's a conflicting message.
she had that conversation with you....I agree that it likely won't work in today's society, especially with the #metoo movement.
However, there will always be exceptions. I think gals with strong family, some red pill, grounded gals that are open minded may be candidates(they could come around if pumped and dumped enough and the guy remains in touch as more of a friend than a pursuant) but once again, in today's society, it's not too unlikely. I do have a female co-worker that told me she initially wasn't interested in her current husband and she is 35yo now.
But bottom line in SS community is being aware and not chasing. LOL
well saidThe problem with this (besides what we here on SS would say about being a desperate chump/orbiter) is that it clashes with the mainstream motto that "no means no", so it's a conflicting message.
For my general comment I think there are four fundamental sources of bad advice that everything in this thread will source back to:
1) Black pill. Pretending that women don't make sexual choices in men based on looks first and foremost - height, hair, face, frame, I guess tattoos and beards too.
2) Conflation. Conflating what works for Chad's looks and halo effect ("just show your face outside/on OLD bro, worked for me") and women ("just wait and they will come") with what works for men. Conflating platonic clown-like entertainment with emotional fluctuational excitement, the latter being the actual reason why the bad boys she keeps fvcking are just so 'exciting' aside from their hot looks (see #1).
3) Platonic behavior. Pretending that platonic behavior leads to sexual results, and that what women are aroused by is platonic behavior (like "being kind" or "making her laugh" or even "doing her favors" and so on). Bonus points if it's said that guys who behave like this, aren't like the hot guys she used to fvck, and are finally settled for by some mentally and physically washed up and perhaps even resentful woman, are the "real winners" who get her best (lol).
4) Respect and desire. Not teaching the most important behavioral advice about women that they need to feel respect for a man to feel desire, they respect strength, they despise weakness, and that they interpret not only spinelessness but also vulnerability as weakness.
Until she meets Chad. It's crappy old blue pill advice. The modern PUA equivalent of this is "her b1tch shield is up. You gotta break through" basically encouraging guys to jump through hoops and become dancing monkeys.10. "She's just playing hard to get."
<Modern, state of the art advice in 1979>
It's easy to explain. He's the golden parachute/beta in waiting. I've seen it many times. One day she has an epiphany-she can't get chad to commit so she shacks up with a dweeb. It's ultimately beta game and she'll never truly desire you.We'll never know exactly how these exceptions pull it off. They might not even know or how to explain it. And I'm not sure it can be easily copied anyway, so I wouldn't worry about the exceptions.
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We didn't understand it because it doesn't exist. Not on a physical plane but maybe in the afterlife it has some sort of merit.I’ve never understood what that meant.lol “be yourself” but also “you need to improve”.