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I'm a white, 7.5/10.I know this because girls have literally told me this. Girls have never shown any fear of me. It's just the quality of girl that I'm aiming for is too hard to nail. I get approached by 4s and 5s, but once you've had the real thing you don't really want any less.
It's a numbers game for you. Keep approaching. But it's not a numbers game for most other guys. Most guys will always be unattractive to women. Nature didn't intend for all men to breed (i.e. get laid).
 

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I don't know if it's a generational thing. Women were never into overly muscular dudes to being with. Hulk Hogan and Arnold were never sex symbols (except, perhaps, for homosexuals). When I was a kid growing up, I remember boys admiring bodybuilders for their masculine physiques but I don't recall girls saying "OMG, Sylverster Stalone is so hot". Girls have always liked guys who look like DiCaprio and Beiber. That's not a new thing. Look at the male sex symbols from the old days: James Dean, Paul Newman, Sean Connery. None of them were meatheads. And I don't remember any time in history when women were not attracted to men with good hair (even though good hair in not necessarily a "masculine" trait - balding is often sign of high testosterone).
Pretty much this. Even when I was very very young, my theory (and it hasn't changed much) was that the super hot, very young girls (peak SMV) are into the tall, athletic/slightly skinny facially handsome dudes, but the older women/cougars/MILFS seemed to appreciate muscles and masculinity in general way more. If you're interested in banging some 40+ year old attractive women, hitting the gym hard will probably help.
 
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I don't know if it's a generational thing. Women were never into overly muscular dudes to being with. Hulk Hogan and Arnold were never sex symbols (except, perhaps, for homosexuals). When I was a kid growing up, I remember boys admiring bodybuilders for their masculine physiques but I don't recall girls saying "OMG, Sylverster Stalone is so hot". Girls have always liked guys who look like DiCaprio and Beiber. That's not a new thing. Look at the male sex symbols from the old days: James Dean, Paul Newman, Sean Connery. None of them were meatheads. And I don't remember any time in history when women were not attracted to men with good hair (even though good hair in not necessarily a "masculine" trait - balding is often sign of high testosterone).

I think Bruce Lee's physique is peak attractive level for for the opposite sex. That guy was just unbelievably shredded but not in an overly meat head type of way.
 

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I think Bruce Lee's physique is peak attractive level for for the opposite sex. That guy was just unbelievably shredded but not in an overly meat head type of way.
defo my experience too. natural ripped, lean physique is what I think is the ultimate for that. hardish (but possible) for most men to achieve as generally means big commitment with training, diet. assisted with genes to some extent. nothing to extreme but clearly in good very good physical condition, althoughs not always too obvious unless wearing fitted clothes or hanging out places with no top on.
 

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I think we can all agree that looks are important (to a point).

The problem here is that when a man becomes fixated on how he looks he becomes a mirror-gazing, preening, utter utter f@g. I'm sure you've seen this yourself.

You kinda want to give the impression that you DGAF about how you look (you're effortlessly attractive). Women are incredibly sensitive and attracted to DGAF vibes. It's impossible to have that vibe if you're fixated on how you look.
 

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Very true.

If a guy is using roids we can already assume he doesn't have good Game. What leads a man to start taking roids? A massive desire to simp, i'd say. So he couldn't possibly be good at talking to women.

Roids, for me, is the equivalent to a guy who wears a wig or a hair weave system. Deep down he knows he's a fraud and this effects his game ultimately.

What I've discovered with women is that it's so much less about looks, and much more about how you make her feel (through communication). I know guys don't want to hear this because "feelz" are so abstract.

But it's all about "feelz", provided you don't look like Quasimodo.
Think thats true re fraud in many cases, but I've known some proper hard f**kers that use roids, and although I guess some may cry themselves to sleep each night when no ones watching, I imagine they are pretty tough chaps all around.

Yeah, I think looks alone can open doors, particularly if you can put on a show in places like nightclubs, but woman won;t hang around that long once they work out (and they will) that your character/persona doesn;t really measure up to initial impression you gave. No one can hide deep seated insecurity over months. This is assuming woman is attractive and not several notches below your looks, in which case you may carry it off longer term.

When I think of men I know with women, the chaps who did best all had very strong characters, not just outwardly for show but genuinely masculine, strong etc. 2 off top of my head were skinny fat, rarely exercised over the years. Decent looking, but not male models. A lot of women gravitated towards them in most settings. Can think of better looking, taller men who did well with one night stands but rarely kept women for long and it wasn;t due to them moving on from the women, as I spent time with them as they broke down upset after losing them.

I think average to above average looking men with strong characters, charisma, decent personalities etc do much better in keeping women over longer term than good looking, top tier physqiue, but 'weaker' men, or any men for that matter.
 
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I think we can all agree that looks are important (to a point).

The problem here is that when a man becomes fixated on how he looks he becomes a mirror-gazing, preening, utter utter f@g. I'm sure you've seen this yourself.

You kinda want to give the impression that you DGAF about how you look (you're effortlessly attractive). Women are incredibly sensitive and attracted to DGAF vibes. It's impossible to have that vibe if you're fixated on how you look.
Fair enough. I don’t disagree.

The problem is the guy will never know exactly WHAT is causing the lion’s share of his rejections. He really has no way of knowing if he’s striking out based on a particular looks feature (or possibly some game issue).

So he (understandably) might assume it’s his lack of height or hair or facial aesthetics.
 

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Think thats true re fraud in many cases, but I've known some proper hard f**kers that use roids, and although I guess some may cry themselves to sleep each night when no ones watching, I imagine they are pretty tough chaps all around.

Yeah, I think looks alone can open doors, particularly if you can put on a show in places like nightclubs, but woman won;t hang around that long once they work out (and they will) that your character/persona doesn;t really measure up to initial impression you gave. No one can hide deep seated insecurity over months. This is assuming woman is attractive and not several notches below your looks, in which case you may carry it off longer term.

When I think of men I know with women, the chaps who did best all had very strong characters, not just outwardly for show but genuinely masculine, strong etc. 2 off top of my head were skinny fat, rarely exercised over the years. Decent looking, but not male models. A lot of women gravitated towards them in most settings. Can think of better looking, taller men who did well with one night stands but rarely kept women for long and it wasn;t due to them moving on from the women, as I spent time with them as they broke down upset after losing them.

I think average to above average looking men with strong characters, charisma, decent personalities etc do much better in keeping women over longer term than good looking, top tier physqiue, but 'weaker' men, or any men for that matter.
Here's a clue for you. Any guy who uses roids. Bring it up with him. Mock him slightly. Watch him squirm.

Every. Single. Time.

Men know that using roids is a disgrace. And they will vigorously defend it, like a woman vigorously defends her slvtty behavior (crying on the inside).
 

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I dont understand.

I've literally spent the last 3 years redpill coping trying to be the most masculine as possible, muscles, beard, mma, gym & masculine in the way i act and speak to them, following all the common redpill teachings.

But I've noticed when I ask girls types and see which boyfriends they post on instagram, its always prettyboy twinks with tiktok curtains hairstyle.

I made my haircut like a shorter more masculine haircut and any girl i get with basically begs me to get the prettyboy tiktok curtains hairstyle back that i used to have. a lot of girls say they dont like muscly bodies when i send them pics of it, they like tall skinny prettyboys.


this video sort of explains how in the past. the dating market was more INTERsexual competition(mens physical dominance compeittion over eachother)
and its been this way for hundreds of thousands of years. but now the world is so safe, girls have good jobs, or if they dont, they get paid well with social welfare. So they dont need us to provide or protect them, the only thing that is worth selecting for is beauty.

and in nature any species that selected purely for beauty would go extinct. but thats exactly what girls are doing right now.

And i used to have way more success with girls when i was a prettyboy haircut gigatwink compared to now, i honestly dont understand.

When u go on tiktok u dont see women lusting over masculine men. you see women lusting over prettyboys with gay ass haircuts and twink bodies doing gay ass dances

am i seeing **** or is this exactly wahts happening in the young generation?
Non bro's before hos was a fail for mankind from the start. It's kind of b1tchy like a woman.
 

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Fair enough. I don’t disagree.

The problem is the guy will never know exactly WHAT is causing the lion’s share of his rejections. He really has no way of knowing if he’s striking out based on a particular looks feature (or possibly some game issue).

So he (understandably) might assume it’s his lack of height or hair or facial aesthetics.
A woman's reason for rejecting a guy is a huge combination of things which combine to form her "feelz" about a given guy, on a given day.

It's too abstract to even worry about. Trying to figure out reasons why a woman makes certain decisions at any given time is a recipe for mind-fvckery. You will never really know why she rejected you on that night, but the next night fvcked a bald fat guy with a hairy back who said the right things to her.

The key to all this is being okay with the mysterious, flakey minds of women. When you run purely on emotions and feelz, like women do, you don't behave entirely logically by the male definition.

This is why women, in the past, were not allowed to make decisions.
 

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A woman's reason for rejecting a guy is a huge combination of things which combine to form her "feelz" about a given guy, on a given day.

It's too abstract to even worry about. Trying to figure out reasons why a woman makes certain decisions at any given time is a recipe for mind-fvckery. You will never really know why she rejected you on that night, but the next night fvcked a bald fat guy with a hairy back who said the right things to her.

The key to all this is being okay with the mysterious, flakey minds of women. When you run purely on emotions and feelz, like women do, you don't behave entirely logically by the male definition.

This is why women, in the past, were not allowed to make decisions.
Thanks man. This helps a lot.
 

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If all you do is make excuses for your lack of success, then it's no wonder that girl's aren't attracted to you.
As men, it is our duty to examine ourselves and improve any flaws in our lives. He came here to present a problem, and your response was to throw him down the chute. Don't do that.

It's not Stone Cold Steve Austin or The Rock.
Women were absolutely attracted to Stone Cold and The Rock. This is you being naive of pro wrestling. Girls were known for lifting up their shirts and showing off their tits to several wrestlers, including those top two. It was a rule on the road to stay away from women, although Stone Cold had his fair share of women he ****ed on the road. The Rock did, too.

I'm appalled we allow this kind of advice on this forum. Looking like the top stars of wrestling is a good thing. The last thing we need is more pretty boys.

@The Rest of you: Stop listening to what women say they want. They ideally want a pretty boy, but thats because they want to relive their younger years and/ or stay young forever. They want what they cannot have. They want a guy they can control but sometimes control her. It's literal Barbie dreamhouse. In reality, women get turned on by all the masculine traits a man possesses. They even complain that they hate getting turned on by things they say they do not like [ignore women's words. Actions speak louder.] This feminist society ruined women way more than it ruined men. Cause women actually want masculinity. They want men to overpower them, to tell them what to do, and to also give them a cushy home. The state currently does all this, and much better than men, which explains all the social dynamics we are experiencing.
 

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As men, it is our duty to examine ourselves and improve any flaws in our lives. He came here to present a problem, and your response was to throw him down the chute. Don't do that.



Women were absolutely attracted to Stone Cold and The Rock. This is you being naive of pro wrestling. Girls were known for lifting up their shirts and showing off their tits to several wrestlers, including those top two. It was a rule on the road to stay away from women, although Stone Cold had his fair share of women he ****ed on the road. The Rock did, too.

I'm appalled we allow this kind of advice on this forum. Looking like the top stars of wrestling is a good thing. The last thing we need is more pretty boys.

@The Rest of you: Stop listening to what women say they want. They ideally want a pretty boy, but thats because they want to relive their younger years and/ or stay young forever. They want what they cannot have. They want a guy they can control but sometimes control her. It's literal Barbie dreamhouse. In reality, women get turned on by all the masculine traits a man possesses. They even complain that they hate getting turned on by things they say they do not like [ignore women's words. Actions speak louder.] This feminist society ruined women way more than it ruined men. Cause women actually want masculinity. They want men to overpower them, to tell them what to do, and to also give them a cushy home. The state currently does all this, and much better than men, which explains all the social dynamics we are experiencing.
You're too black and white man. No one here said that you shouldn't work out and have a nice body.

We are just observing the mating choices women make.

Are you sure that Feminism has hacked the female mind? Surely women deserve a bit more credit. Women are now in a position where they can choose any man they want. And who are they choosing? What's stopping women from collectively getting together and saying "Please, can we stop all this feminization of men?"

I'll tell you something I've noticed. A purely masculine mind is boring for women ultimately. It's too logical and narrow. Gay men know this too. Why do you think women love gay men and vote for gay rights all the time?

I've noticed the dream combination is being masculine, but also being able to tap into femininity, emotion and sensitivity. You can manipulate her feelings way better this way, and penetrate her mind deeply. This is how you make a love slave. You have to be able to think like a woman to really get her hooked.

If all you're offering is muscles and c0ck and snorting like a bull, she's gona get bored.
 

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You're too black and white man. No one here said that you shouldn't work out and have a nice body.

We are just observing the mating choices women make.

Are you sure that Feminism has hacked the female mind? Surely women deserve a bit more credit. Women are now in a position where they can choose any man they want. And who are they choosing? What's stopping women from collectively getting together and saying "Please, can we stop all this feminization of men?"

I'll tell you something I've noticed. A purely masculine mind is boring for women ultimately. It's too logical and narrow. Gay men know this too. Why do you think women love gay men and vote for gay rights all the time?

I've noticed the dream combination is being masculine, but also being able to tap into femininity, emotion and sensitivity. You can manipulate her feelings way better this way, and penetrate her mind deeply. This is how you make a love slave. You have to be able to think like a woman to really get her hooked.

If all you're offering is muscles and c0ck and snorting like a bull, she's gona get bored.
You sound like a writer for Cosmopolitan.

"Are you sure that Feminism has hacked the female mind? Surely women deserve a bit more credit."

" A purely masculine mind is boring for women ultimately."

"If all you're offering is muscles and c0ck and snorting like a bull, she's gona get bored."


What's stopping women from collectively getting together and saying "Please, can we stop all this feminization of men?"
Men are stopping them. Cause there's too many bluepilled beta men supporting said feminism.

I'm not even going to go after your other points cause they aren't real.
 

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As men, it is our duty to examine ourselves and improve any flaws in our lives. He came here to present a problem, and your response was to throw him down the chute. Don't do that.
Nah dude, women complain, men act. That's the way it's always been. If he addressed his post differently, maybe I wouldn't need to correct him. I didn't mean it as a sign of disrespect, it's literally the truth. You think a woman ever wants to hear excuses from a man she's supposed to be attracted to? Something I've noticed is that a lot of guys like to rail about all their weak points or degrade others to lift themselves up, but this is precisely the type of behavior that is most unattractive to a woman. Attractive men don't need to "prove" anything, or conform to someone else's standard of beauty. They rock their own style, and do their own thing. Otherwise, subcultures like wannabe thugs, pot heads, and emos wouldn't exist. One of my best friends is a 5'4 dude with a zoomer cut and a nose piercing. He doesn't give a f*ck about women and does his own thing pursuing fashion by making his own clothing and models his sh1t on instagram. Dude has tens of thousands of followers, and loads of girls crushing on him.
 

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Nah dude, women complain, men act. That's the way it's always been. If he addressed his post differently, maybe I wouldn't need to correct him. I didn't mean it as a sign of disrespect, it's literally the truth. You think a woman ever wants to hear excuses from a man she's supposed to be attracted to? Something I've noticed is that a lot of guys like to rail about all their weak points or degrade others to lift themselves up, but this is precisely the type of behavior that is most unattractive to a woman. Attractive men don't need to "prove" anything, or conform to someone else's standard of beauty. They rock their own style, and do their own thing. Otherwise, subcultures like wannabe thugs, pot heads, and emos wouldn't be a thing. One of my best friends is a 5'4 dude with a zoomer cut and a nose piercing. He doesn't give a f*ck about women and does his own thing pursuing fashion by making his own clothing and models his **** on instagram. Dude has tens of thousands of followers, and loads of girls crushing on him.
Except he came to a forum of men to vent his rant. We support our brothers. Women put men down. Don't act like a woman. A little criticism isn't bad from us guys, but you basically went full on female bullying with your post. The only reason I'm getting on you about this is because this is actually a very important topic for young men and we need to make sure to steer them right.
 

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Except he came to a forum of men to vent his rant. We support our brothers. Women put men down. Don't act like a woman. A little criticism isn't bad from us guys, but you basically went full on female bullying with your post. The only reason I'm getting on you about this is because this is actually a very important topic for young men and we need to make sure to steer them right.
You don't support men who are destroying the world with their weak minds and their simping. You execute them.

The world now is fvcked because of weak men.

Men used to patrol and police each other and themselves. Weak men were killed. That's the way it should be.
 
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