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Women in my generation (21) do not like masculine men. They like prettyboy twink f4ggots

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I dont understand.

I've literally spent the last 3 years redpill coping trying to be the most masculine as possible, muscles, beard, mma, gym & masculine in the way i act and speak to them, following all the common redpill teachings.

But I've noticed when I ask girls types and see which boyfriends they post on instagram, its always prettyboy twinks with tiktok curtains hairstyle.

I made my haircut like a shorter more masculine haircut and any girl i get with basically begs me to get the prettyboy tiktok curtains hairstyle back that i used to have. a lot of girls say they dont like muscly bodies when i send them pics of it, they like tall skinny prettyboys.


this video sort of explains how in the past. the dating market was more INTERsexual competition(mens physical dominance compeittion over eachother)
and its been this way for hundreds of thousands of years. but now the world is so safe, girls have good jobs, or if they dont, they get paid well with social welfare. So they dont need us to provide or protect them, the only thing that is worth selecting for is beauty.

and in nature any species that selected purely for beauty would go extinct. but thats exactly what girls are doing right now.

And i used to have way more success with girls when i was a prettyboy haircut gigatwink compared to now, i honestly dont understand.

When u go on tiktok u dont see women lusting over masculine men. you see women lusting over prettyboys with gay ass haircuts and twink bodies doing gay ass dances

am i seeing **** or is this exactly wahts happening in the young generation?
I went to university a bit later than most. I went from 2011 to Dec 2013 and took some grad classes after that. I tend to agree. The 19-23 year old cute and hot girls at school typically were paired with the type of guys you described, not some Chad sports player. Then again I went to a private, div 3 university so we didn't have these big sports players or a football team. Didn't have super chad to compete with.

You know what I'm talking about. like you described, 19-23 yr old guys like Justin Bierber looked like when he was a teen. Skinny, boyish looking and into left leaning stuff.
 

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The women have tried to convince themselves that this is the type of guy they want. Society encourages it. But between their legs, it doesn't get their juices going. Keep on your grind. You're going in the right direction.
 

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Using roids to look good or strong is definitely very weak. That stuffs wrecks you long term as well from what i see. I can understand professional athletes, especially pro boxers or mma guys doing it on and off though just because of the fact most of the competition is and it gives a huge unfair advantage.
No guarantees, but from what I've read about it over the years its not as bad as some may think. If you do proper research, cycled correctly, diet is good, don;t drink much, smoke or take other drugs etc I don;t think it screws you up that badly.

Obviously you tend to hear about the extreme cases or see idiots that still eat loads of ****, party hard, pump themselves full of roids to look good at the weekend.
 

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I think Bruce Lee's physique is peak attractive level for for the opposite sex. That guy was just unbelievably shredded but not in an overly meat head type of way.
I don't even think it's important to be shredded. As long as you are fit (i.e. not fat), your face, height and hair are WAY more important than muscle definition.
 
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No guarantees, but from what I've read about it over the years its not as bad as some may think. If you do proper research, cycled correctly, diet is good, don;t drink much, smoke or take other drugs etc I don;t think it screws you up that badly.

Obviously you tend to hear about the extreme cases or see idiots that still eat loads of ****, party hard, pump themselves full of roids to look good at the weekend.
What people don't understand is that steroids are not magic. You don't just take them and blow up... They are one pillar the other three(diet, recovery, training) need to be there, or the steroids won't work.
 

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What people don't understand is that steroids are not magic. You don't just take them and blow up... They are one pillar the other three(diet, recovery, training) need to be there, or the steroids won't work.
Yeah they do and to be in really good shape (at least from aesthetics point of view) you generally have to nail all 3. But theres no getting away from the fact they give most users a massive boost over men not using them.

Steroid users get touchy about that and claim its all hard work, commitment and just gives them a slight boost etc, but a natty won;t get anywhere near the same results, all other variables being equal and depending how much gear they're using. You just have to see the rapid increase in strength after someone starts a cycle to see the difference it makes. Creatine or protein supps don;t give those kind of rapid increases, - barely increase at all tbh. Thats not to say some steroid users don;t work hard of course, as like you say its not always a magic pill and many of them are truly dedicated.

I've encountered men over the years in party circles that were into coke, pissed all the time and still in amazing shape (again, as far as aesthetics go). Following chats with them at after parties etc they most defintely weren't nailing their diets during the week. Openly admitting taking roids in large quantities, sometimes with HGH to compensate.

That said there are plenty of roid users i've seen who look like sacks of sh1t with no top on. Big chaps, really strong etc but with beer bellys/ not much definition etc so if they're eating way too much, doing low rep/volume training styles with 5 mins + between sets and no cv or something like that, doesn;t always produce miracles.
 
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Yeah they do and to be in really good shape (at least from aesthetics point of view) you generally have to nail all 3. But theres no getting away from the fact they give most users a massive boost over men not using them.

Steroid users get touchy about that and claim its all hard work, commitment etc, but a natty won;t get anywhere near the same results, all other variables being equal and depending how much gear they're using. Thats not to say some steroid users don;t work hard of course, as like you say its not always a magic pill and many of them are truly dedicated.

I've encountered men of the years in party circles that were into coke, pissed all the time and still in amazing shape (again, as far as aesthetics go). Following chats with them at after parties etc they most defintely weren't nailing their diets either during the week.
Don't get sucked into this mate.

Steroid users will always say "It's not magic bro. You still have to work really hard to get this body".

It's a cope.
 

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OP, you’re young (21).

At your age, women are still more interested at getting rammed by the starting QB.
Somewhat of a myth. See my post about going to a private university. While they're liberal and many feminist there was also a lot of hot girls there and they didn't date super chad.

I think there is a big difference between going to the large public universities with football teams and large student body of sports players versus private universities that are division 3 and lower NCAA.
 

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I dont understand.

I've literally spent the last 3 years redpill coping trying to be the most masculine as possible, muscles, beard, mma, gym & masculine in the way i act and speak to them, following all the common redpill teachings.

But I've noticed when I ask girls types and see which boyfriends they post on instagram, its always prettyboy twinks with tiktok curtains hairstyle.

I made my haircut like a shorter more masculine haircut and any girl i get with basically begs me to get the prettyboy tiktok curtains hairstyle back that i used to have. a lot of girls say they dont like muscly bodies when i send them pics of it, they like tall skinny prettyboys.


this video sort of explains how in the past. the dating market was more INTERsexual competition(mens physical dominance compeittion over eachother)
and its been this way for hundreds of thousands of years. but now the world is so safe, girls have good jobs, or if they dont, they get paid well with social welfare. So they dont need us to provide or protect them, the only thing that is worth selecting for is beauty.

and in nature any species that selected purely for beauty would go extinct. but thats exactly what girls are doing right now.

And i used to have way more success with girls when i was a prettyboy haircut gigatwink compared to now, i honestly dont understand.

When u go on tiktok u dont see women lusting over masculine men. you see women lusting over prettyboys with gay ass haircuts and twink bodies doing gay ass dances

am i seeing **** or is this exactly wahts happening in the young generation?

Who cares about social media. Be who you want to be, unless you want to change to fall in someone's good graces. Which in my opinion is a recipe for disaster.
 

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Is this real life, who gives a phuck what they want. The best version of everyman is masculine. She may pose with twinks but will stray with masc dudes. A better question you have to ask yourself is if they view you as congruent with your look, just reading your post you come of as insecure. Lol at a chick asking me to change my hairstyle just lmao.
 

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Women primarily want what other women want that rarely changes in every age group

but Lets not forget TIK TOK is trend/hype culture on steroids

When you are very young 16 - 24 it doesn't take a hell of a lot to be influenced ......women are even more susceptible to being influenced because they are submissive by nature

So as you can imagine it wouldnt take much to set a trend in what is physically desirable

Another point to mention is that when women are young they are extremely whimsical ..... the male characters and archetypes on these tiktoks play into that giving girls a blank canvas to express their emotional desires onto

Its only as they start to get older 25+ do women start lusting after rough and rugged sex
 

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Women, regardless of generations, are wired to be attracted to men who are masculine, bold, confident, and mentally strong.

Build your world on that.
This.

Women are not *attracted* to feminine, dainty, weak men but may settle for one or use one as a placeholder. Anything else and you're arguing against 50,000+ years of genetic DNA wiring that no amount of social media or OLD will undo.

Another reason is that there aren't nearly the amount of masculine men available now that there were 20+ years ago for many reasons and it diminishes every year. So women will largely choose the best of what's available.

And you don't have to look like The Rock or Stone Cold Steve Austin to be masculine. Looks are maybe 20% of it but the 80% is in your attitude and how you live your life as a man. Women are attracted to risk takers and talented men who live their life with passion, self respect, and take no B.S. These are masculine qualities in addition to what @manfrombelow wrote.
 

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Good thread. My focus for the last couple years has been increasing my masculinity. I think....if you want to attract women. You have to be a MAN. A lot of us have been there in the situation...she didnt feel that spark blah blah. Men are frustrated. Me personally i have concentrated on increasing my masculinity. Me personally....for me doing this has been working my ass off in my job 64.5 hours every week and still hitting gym 3 times a week. But mainly just going to work 64.5 hours has increased my masculinity.

Work hard increases masculinity.

Women are attracted to men....not gay boys.
 

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I noticed a strong increase of interest from younger girls after getting jacked and growing a pirate style beard actually.

But again Im in my mid 30s so cant really tell the environment for guys in their early 20s like OP.

I believe what women want in terms of body is a light fitness model with enough size and enough definition without any extreme in either direction while for personality they dont want the overwhelming macho like 80s character while they appreciate a manly man.

What we dont pay attention enough however is the general trend since women are sheep like creatures when it comes of socialization...
 
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What people don't understand is that steroids are not magic. You don't just take them and blow up... They are one pillar the other three(diet, recovery, training) need to be there, or the steroids won't work.
Actually no.. You don't even have to train when you are on steroids and you will still build automatically much more muscles than someone, who targets all of the 3 without steroids. There are studies done about that
 
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What I see is women who are attracted to the Rip character from Yellowstone. But my crowd is older and more rural.

“You’re in real estate or something equally as unimportant, married, couple of kids, one on the way. That was your excuse to come out here. Need the break. Work, family life, it’s so demanding. A little fresh air, a little ‘me’ time.
“You came alone ’cause none of your friends could afford it, and those who do, they have wives a lot smarter than yours ’cause let’s be honest, Ted, you didn’t come here to fish.
“You’re hunting. That’s why you’re sitting in a bar instead of standing in a river.”
“Who the hell are you to judge me?” Ted asks.
“I ain’t judging you, buddy…. I’m hunting too, just not hunting you.”
“What’s wrong with me?” Ted follows up like a moron. To which Beth replies:
“You look like a real soft f**k, Ted. All you city boys do.”
Remember women are attracted to live, in person men by how they make them FEEL. Their eye is drawn to pretty boys but their HEART wants a man.

Here is some good reading for a little more perspective.. https://forbesbooks.com/words-advice-20-year-old-self/
 
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I dont understand.

I've literally spent the last 3 years redpill coping trying to be the most masculine as possible, muscles, beard, mma, gym & masculine in the way i act and speak to them, following all the common redpill teachings.

But I've noticed when I ask girls types and see which boyfriends they post on instagram, its always prettyboy twinks with tiktok curtains hairstyle.

I made my haircut like a shorter more masculine haircut and any girl i get with basically begs me to get the prettyboy tiktok curtains hairstyle back that i used to have. a lot of girls say they dont like muscly bodies when i send them pics of it, they like tall skinny prettyboys.


this video sort of explains how in the past. the dating market was more INTERsexual competition(mens physical dominance compeittion over eachother)
and its been this way for hundreds of thousands of years. but now the world is so safe, girls have good jobs, or if they dont, they get paid well with social welfare. So they dont need us to provide or protect them, the only thing that is worth selecting for is beauty.

and in nature any species that selected purely for beauty would go extinct. but thats exactly what girls are doing right now.

And i used to have way more success with girls when i was a prettyboy haircut gigatwink compared to now, i honestly dont understand.

When u go on tiktok u dont see women lusting over masculine men. you see women lusting over prettyboys with gay ass haircuts and twink bodies doing gay ass dances

am i seeing **** or is this exactly wahts happening in the young generation?
Its only a phase dude. By 26 those will change. And better still she doesn't know what she wants until it is right in front of her.
 

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Actually no.. You don't even have to train when you are on steroids and you will still build automatically much more muscles than someone, who targets all of the 3 without steroids. There are studies done about that
I don't care what studies say. Have you actually done them? Go on some steroid sites, and read what people who actually use them have to say.
 
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