"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

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Desdinova said:
Paul McCartney is.
Anyone who has kids (babies or young kids) that old is both an idiot and irresponsible. There's a good chance they'll die before the kid even becomes an adult.
 

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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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....which is probably better for the kid in Paul McCartney's case.
 

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Wyldfire said:
Anyone who has kids (babies or young kids) that old is both an idiot and irresponsible. There's a good chance they'll die before the kid even becomes an adult.

don't you always complain when people generalize?

( i sorta agree, but no extremism here..)
 

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Egoist said:
don't you always complain when people generalize?

( i sorta agree, but no extremism here..)
This isn't something that should EVER be done. If a person is 60 years old and having babies they're irresponsible. Who is going to change the diapers of the toddler if the parent develops alzheimer's and needs someone to change THEIR diapers?

The average life expectancy is from 67 to 72 years old...a little longer for women than men. Children should NOT be brought into the world by a parent who is either going to die or be physically or mentally unable to care for those children through 4 years of college. Men who put off having children (if they want kids) until around 50 or older are morons who are putting their offspring at a very high risk of ending up fatherless before they even finish highschool, let alone college.
 

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Wyldfire said:
This isn't something that should EVER be done. If a person is 60 years old and having babies they're irresponsible. Who is going to change the diapers of the toddler if the parent develops alzheimer's and needs someone to change THEIR diapers?

The average life expectancy is from 67 to 72 years old...a little longer for women than men. Children should NOT be brought into the world by a parent who is either going to die or be physically or mentally unable to care for those children through 4 years of college. Men who put off having children (if they want kids) until around 50 or older are morons who are putting their offspring at a very high risk of ending up fatherless before they even finish highschool, let alone college.
didn't clint eastwood just have one at 70+ with his hottie thirtysomething wife?

nothing wrong with that ;)

better that than a struggling single mom.
 

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You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

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Egoist said:
didn't clint eastwood just have one at 70+ with his hottie thirtysomething wife?

nothing wrong with that ;)

better that than a struggling single mom.
She'll still be a single mother and the poor kid will grow up without a father.

If he did just have a kid I have lost ALL respect for him.
 

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Could you imagine:

*Phone ringing*
Wyldfire: "Hello?"
Clint Eastwood: "Is this Wyldfire?"
Wyldfire: "Yes, it is."
Clint Eastwood: "Would it be okay with you if I had a child with my wife?"
Wyldfire: "Not unless you want to lose my respect."
Clint Eastwood: "Oh, heaven forbid! What was I thinking?! Okay, I won't spread my seed wherever I please just because I am an Alpha Male who will make a kid rich enough to BUY a father when I pass away. Thanks for straightening me out."
 

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What I don't like is when women cut their hair short, get fat and generally let their appearances slide and start looking asexual and "mumsy". I've found it usually happens as the result of complacency after being in a relationship for a long period (and men are as bad, if not worse). At the opposite end of the scale there are older women who try to look younger by making themselves up like a 2dollar hooker. Ewww!

However, a naturally ageing woman who looks after her appearance, stays fashionable, in shape, well groomed and retains some class is as hot as any 20 year old in my opinion.

To me, age is not the determining factor, it's more about pride. A good example is Susan Sarandon and Britney Spears. Give me Susan Sarandon any night of the week!
 

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Vulpine said:
Could you imagine:

*Phone ringing*
Wyldfire: "Hello?"
Clint Eastwood: "Is this Wyldfire?"
Wyldfire: "Yes, it is."
Clint Eastwood: "Would it be okay with you if I had a child with my wife?"
Wyldfire: "Not unless you want to lose my respect."
Clint Eastwood: "Oh, heaven forbid! What was I thinking?! Okay, I won't spread my seed wherever I please just because I am an Alpha Male who will make a kid rich enough to BUY a father when I pass away. Thanks for straightening me out."
No amount of money can "buy" away what the death of a parent does to a young child.
 

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Yawwwwnnnn,...:yawn: ,...ZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz,....
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

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Egoist said:
don't you always complain when people generalize?

( i sorta agree, but no extremism here..)
Yea, what IS the cutoff age, Wyldfire?
 

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wheelin&dealin said:
The truth is that most women age like sh*t! They have no respect for their body and they try to look younger by buying a miracle skin cream rather than working out and eating an optimal diet. For 90% of women it's pretty much down hill after their 25th birthday.
Yes, sadly. This is only natural: all through history those women who looked good (who show signs of fertility and health, that is, such as smooth unblemished skin) would marry early on, then have children and pass on their genes - the genes of women who look fertile and healthy in their teens and twenties. Since noone had kids in their thirties (when most people started dying, in the Stone Age), there would be no natural selection in that age, with only the women who still look good in their thirties passing on their genes.

Nature is, as usual, economical with its gifts.
 
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Wyldfire said:
Facts:

The average age of menopause is 51.
Women are still able to have children as long as they have eggs and menstruate.
Many women over 30 look as good as, if not better than their younger counterparts

Those are the facts. Anyone who claims otherwise is blowing hot air out their arses.

No, I'm not stating these facts because I am bothered by men my age or older dating younger women. In fact, I couldn't care less what men my age and older do because I don't find those men attractive. As one of those older women who look great...I don't have to "settle" for guys my own age...I get the younger ones. :D

I was going to reply to this...but decided that it was not worth my time to debate with a middle age woman about this issue.
 

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You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

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I find older women sexier myself. Its something about their demeanor that makes them attractive to me. How they think and how they carry themselves.

Plus older ladies are much better geared toward my interests and temperment, for the most part. For example I'd have a much easier time finding a 40 year old woman who likes to discuss politics and current events than a 20 year old.
 

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*sniff, sniff, sniff*

:confused:

It smells like "I don't care if an 18 year old likes older women" in here.

Does anyone else smell that?

Ewww... gross.

Jeez, somebody grab the can of "Go back to the High School Forum" spray and turn on a fan.


Women get older and look for trophy boy toys because the men their age aren't having anything to do with them. Why? They are used up, burnt out, bitter, broken, whackos, have kids, got the clap, whatever. If the younger men are foolish enough to get with 'em, hey, they can have 'em.
 

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Freewheelin Frank said:
I find older women sexier myself. Its something about their demeanor that makes them attractive to me. How they think and how they carry themselves.

Plus older ladies are much better geared toward my interests and temperment, for the most part. For example I'd have a much easier time finding a 40 year old woman who likes to discuss politics and current events than a 20 year old.

You are 18...therefore, finding a 28 year old woman sexier is acceptable. I also find them sexier.

But finding a 40 year old woman sexier (when you are 18?)??? A woman that old that goes out with a man that young has some serious self esteem issues.

I am in my upper 30s. I find many women in their 30s and some in their 40s sexy. But my experience is; women are at their best between the 25-29 year old range. After that, MOST have issues or bitterness. MOST...not all.

My girlfriend is older than me...but she is almost an exception to the rule (more importantly, she is very independent and doesn't want kids).
 

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"Women get older and look for trophy boy toys because the men their age aren't having anything to do with them. Why? They are used up, burnt out, bitter, broken, whackos, have kids, got the clap, whatever. If the younger men are foolish enough to get with 'em, hey, they can have 'em."

I would say that based on my experience, over 95% of them (single ones) are like that. Sad...very sad...but true.
 

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Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

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