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RobNeb

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I've been on them for about a decade. They used to be great; started going to **** sometime around 2015-2016 and they are only getting worse over time. And I'm not even bitter about it; I've had lays with 10 new women from them in the past year and get 100s of matches but it's still a fiasco most of the time.

These apps are not designed to get you off them. They're profit-driven and use the same tactics as social media platforms. They're just another tool to feed into delusion and entitlement, especially for narcissistic women. They all chase the top 10% of guys and continually get AW'd, or think the men are never good enough and ignore all men at or above their own SMV. Likewise since they get flowered with attention (from simps) they think they're a 9 when they're really a 5.
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But most normal weight guys don't go for that. I mean sane, normal. IMO the rate is dropping because on the dating apps I'm seeing less hot women and more tatted, trannies, and fat women. A lot less decent looking women.

So you have the same amount of men competing for even less and less attractive women. Of course your reply rate will go down when there are more. That's simple math there. However, the one thing I notice is women are A LOT more hesitant to give out their numbers right off the bat. That could be the media scaring them too with all the stories you hear about women getting raped from online dating and stalked. It goes for men too. You hear about men going to meet a chick only to get robbed and beaten.

Tinder I don't use much but somehow I still get skinny women "liking me" even though being so inactive. How do you feel when you get fatties liking your profile if you're fit? Do you find that insulting?
Fatties! Sheesh… rough man. lol
 

I_have_BDE

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Fatties! Sheesh… rough man. lol
Oh and to add, is anyone noticing women with STDs, mainly herpies on the swipe apps? I'm seeing this on Tinder. They state they have herpies.

Are there guys who will match and try to smash these still and risk it?
 

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Novelty of them has worn off and people are realising the investment required time / financial (for men) isn't really worth the payoff

Ontop of that there are only so many avenues a conversation can take on a swipe app and conversations tend to burn out .....QUICKLY

Most women treat them with contempt and tend to reply hours if not days after as they are such a low priority to them , obviously the male needs to match this reponse time or he will come across as needy and desperate

This means a very basic conversation could take 1-2 weeks to run through and this is before anyone has mentioned a date

Then comes the actual meet ( if you can get it without a flake ) , because women are expert at catfishing that 7 you thought you were talking too is probably more likely to be a 5 or a 6 in reality , men also like to height fish etc the I am " 5'11 " line is womens number one complaint on these apps

So straight off the bat everyones disappointed with what they've ordered.

Then you have the problem of personality / vibe matching .....because meeting in person is hell of a lot different to talking through a screen both parties are conscious of trying to match themselves to their online personas (which are usually heavily glossed)

to top that off people on the apps are usually socially awkward anyway that is why they are on them

What you end up with is a very awkward interaction neither party is that bothered about and usually can't wait to leave

there are cases where you'll have an awkward male introvert and female introvert who will meet and kind of "force it too work" regardless of all the issues above

I suspect this will be especially common with sub cultures like , goths , rockers , gamers whatever their suitable dating pool both IRL and online is so small they realise they have to make it work

For people with a more broad spectrum of options , interests or tastes its a horrendous way to meet a potential mate


I deleted the lot of them 2 months ago and I can't see me rushing back anytime soon
 

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Novelty of them has worn off and people are realising the investment required time / financial (for men) isn't really worth the payoff

Ontop of that there are only so many avenues a conversation can take on a swipe app and conversations tend to burn out .....QUICKLY

Most women treat them with contempt and tend to reply hours if not days after as they are such a low priority to them , obviously the male needs to match this reponse time or he will come across as needy and desperate

This means a very basic conversation could take 1-2 weeks to run through and this is before anyone has mentioned a date

Then comes the actual meet ( if you can get it without a flake ) , because women are expert at catfishing that 7 you thought you were talking too is probably more likely to be a 5 or a 6 in reality , men also like to height fish etc the I am " 5'11 " line is womens number one complaint on these apps

So straight off the bat everyones disappointed with what they've ordered.

Then you have the problem of personality / vibe matching .....because meeting in person is hell of a lot different to talking through a screen both parties are conscious of trying to match themselves to their online personas (which are usually heavily glossed)

to top that off people on the apps are usually socially awkward anyway that is why they are on them

What you end up with is a very awkward interaction neither party is that bothered about and usually can't wait to leave

there are cases where you'll have an awkward male introvert and female introvert who will meet and kind of "force it too work" regardless of all the issues above

I suspect this will be especially common with sub cultures like , goths , rockers , gamers whatever their suitable dating pool both IRL and online is so small they realise they have to make it work

For people with a more broad spectrum of options , interests or tastes its a horrendous way to meet a potential mate


I deleted the lot of them 2 months ago and I can't see me rushing back anytime soon
Until you get the itch and get randy thoughts going. C’mon man! It’s a fun game and you know it!
 

bat soup

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I remember back in the days couchsurfing used to be really good for hooking up. You'd meet women that were interested in meeting foreign guys in whatever country you went to and you'd meet up, maybe stay overnight in their place and often hook up. Then it got taken over by some geeky tech company, became mainstream... and turned into garbage.

Somehow the more mainstream something becomes the worse it gets.
 

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Ofcourse you cannot trust an app company with no expertise in community and civilization building to intermediate in something as important as social and interpersonal relationships because these things are the pillars of a functioning society and ti can only be done by those with the correct expertise.

Arranged relationships then?
 

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Arranged relationships then?
No thats going too far. What I mean there are objectively good and bad behaviours that lead to positive experiences and attraction for both parties. Whatever business/community/group is mediating between parties (in this case apps, or matchmakers etc) need to understand these concepts. Its really just knowledge of Game that those mediating need to have.

Ideally this would be some king of social political group that also offers its members the ability to meet potential partners and ensures that ppl treat other with a decent amount of respect.

I actually cant think of any positive outcome that apps have had for the dating and relaionships culture in the West. I mean I can think of positive benefits of social media like Instagram but for dating apps I cant even think of any positive outcome on society. People use apps only because they are easy, but they have led to lots of simping and really bad behaviour from women and lots of degenerative easy sex which as I mentioned as a cultural trend has nowhere to go but reversal so tldr dating apps created a ****show in modern culture.
 

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They're running a business, they are not your friend and they only care about maximizing profits. They figured out how to exploit the general weakness of men a long time ago, but still a lot of men are fooled by it. It's way easier to meet women the old fashioned way, but for some reason a lot of men think OLD is somehow better. It's just not and even if you waste money on it you'll have to put in the effort anyways to take them to bed, that's just a bad deal.

It doesn't work, ignore it and do what works.
+1.

This is exactly it.

They figured out how to exploit the general weakness of men a long time ago, but still a lot of men are fooled by it.
What is the general weakness of men and what are men fooled by?
 

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Most women treat them with contempt and tend to reply hours if not days after as they are such a low priority to them , obviously the male needs to match this reponse time or he will come across as needy and desperate

This means a very basic conversation could take 1-2 weeks to run through and this is before anyone has mentioned a date

Then comes the actual meet ( if you can get it without a flake ) , because women are expert at catfishing that 7 you thought you were talking too is probably more likely to be a 5 or a 6 in reality , men also like to height fish etc the I am " 5'11 " line is womens number one complaint on these apps

So straight off the bat everyones disappointed with what they've ordered.

Then you have the problem of personality / vibe matching .....because meeting in person is hell of a lot different to talking through a screen both parties are conscious of trying to match themselves to their online personas (which are usually heavily glossed)

to top that off people on the apps are usually socially awkward anyway that is why they are on them

What you end up with is a very awkward interaction neither party is that bothered about and usually can't wait to leave
This whole quote explains why swipe apps don't work in most cases and why there are a lot of "one date, no sex, no second date" type interactions from them when people actually meet from the apps.

It's better to have fewer interactions and approach strangers in real life than go through all of this.
 

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What is the general weakness of men and what are men fooled by?
We're weak to women and fooled by these companies very clearly (to me at least) exploiting that fact. The fact that there is a massive market for porn and prostitution targeted at men really proves that point, it works because a large number of men are weak to women to the point they will part with their hard earned money.

It's usually a bad deal in that you're left unsatisfied and desiring forever more of it, but it will cost you way more than not paying for these "shortcuts".
 

I_have_BDE

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Novelty of them has worn off and people are realising the investment required time / financial (for men) isn't really worth the payoff

Ontop of that there are only so many avenues a conversation can take on a swipe app and conversations tend to burn out .....QUICKLY

Most women treat them with contempt and tend to reply hours if not days after as they are such a low priority to them , obviously the male needs to match this reponse time or he will come across as needy and desperate

This means a very basic conversation could take 1-2 weeks to run through and this is before anyone has mentioned a date

Then comes the actual meet ( if you can get it without a flake ) , because women are expert at catfishing that 7 you thought you were talking too is probably more likely to be a 5 or a 6 in reality , men also like to height fish etc the I am " 5'11 " line is womens number one complaint on these apps

So straight off the bat everyones disappointed with what they've ordered.

Then you have the problem of personality / vibe matching .....because meeting in person is hell of a lot different to talking through a screen both parties are conscious of trying to match themselves to their online personas (which are usually heavily glossed)

to top that off people on the apps are usually socially awkward anyway that is why they are on them

What you end up with is a very awkward interaction neither party is that bothered about and usually can't wait to leave

there are cases where you'll have an awkward male introvert and female introvert who will meet and kind of "force it too work" regardless of all the issues above

I suspect this will be especially common with sub cultures like , goths , rockers , gamers whatever their suitable dating pool both IRL and online is so small they realise they have to make it work

For people with a more broad spectrum of options , interests or tastes its a horrendous way to meet a potential mate


I deleted the lot of them 2 months ago and I can't see me rushing back anytime soon
I posted a simple way to solve that. When you get their number you do a reverse lookup and get their name. Then look them up on facebook and see if it's current pics or if they're heavier. Also if it doesn't comeback then you know it's a burner number and a scammer.

It's important to get a number right away. If after a day or two they won't give the number up then I know they're low interest. Before covid very easy to get numbers after a day or so. Now they mostly refuse to give them out unless they're crazy.

I would never meet a girl that didn't give her number. Not only for security reasons, but because they can simply ghost and not show up.

Why do you think around 2021 the few remaining hot women on OLD totally changed? They didn't act this way before covid.
 
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