"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Where to go in AZ or FL?

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Anyway so it sounds like Arizona would be the better choice.

That said, any recommendations on where I should look to stay? I imagine being close to Old Town Scottsdale would be ideal for the bar scene, but I don't know if there are any areas that I should avoid.
When I think about Arizona women I think of this:

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Let us know how accurate that is.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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@BPH -- Did you end up going to Arizona or Florida for your birthday?
 

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Neither yet, I figure I'll go with my brother in the summer when it's a bit nicer. The downside would be that any college students would likely be home for the summer so I don't know if this was a bad decision.
Summer. Hot!!!!!
 

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Neither yet, I figure I'll go with my brother in the summer when it's a bit nicer. The downside would be that any college students would likely be home for the summer so I don't know if this was a bad decision.
I would not go to Arizona in the summer. It's a desert.

Florida is a maybe because it'll be 95 degrees everyday but there's pools and beaches everywhere.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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I would not go to Arizona in the summer. It's a desert.

Florida is a maybe because it'll be 95 degrees everyday but there's pools and beaches everywhere.
I went to Florida one year for my actual birthday and there was just nothing going on in late April, I figured summer would be a better time to check out both places.
 

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Both states suck imho but I’d pick Florida because I can’t handle the desert heat and prefer to be near water.
 

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I would not go to Arizona in the summer. It's a desert.
The major advantage of going to the Phoenix area in the summer is that the tourists aren't there. Arizona State University is in session but there are far fewer students doing Summer semester.

Northern Arizona is pleasant in the summer months due to higher elevations, but more crowded. A lot of Phoenix area residents have cabins up near Flagstaff for getting away for part of the summer and most weekends. Flagstaff is only 2 hours north of Phoenix yet its elevation is 6,000 feet higher and about 25-30 degrees less warm. Additionally, a lot of hotel rooms in Flagstaff are occupied by Grand Canyon tourists as it is 80 miles south of the South Rim of the Grand Canyon. The South Rim is the more visited part of the Grand Canyon. Visiting the Grand Canyon in summer is peak season, so there are tons of tourists.

Since this is a seduction trip and not a sightseeing trip, Phoenix is where @BPH would go. There are plenty of pools in Phoenix, like Florida.

Florida is a maybe because it'll be 95 degrees everyday but there's pools and beaches everywhere.
Miami-Fort Lauderdale and the Tampa area have beaches and pools. I think in the summer months, Miami-Fort Lauderdale and the Tampa area are better choices than Phoenix or Tucson.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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if obese or skin damaged trailer women are hot to you lol. I thought this forum loved Eastern European chicks that gain from winterfell lol.
So what part of the country are you in? I'm in Arizona
 

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Both states suck imho but I’d pick Florida because I can’t handle the desert heat and prefer to be near water.
Why would you "pick" Florida when you're already there? If you're advising OP, why are you using your irrelevant personal preferences for a hypothetical that is real? :rolleyes: A lot of people can't stand high humidity either.

Most chicks on Tinder are more upfront that this, but whatev...
 

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Why would you "pick" Florida when you're already there? If you're advising OP, why are you using your irrelevant personal preferences for a hypothetical that is real? :rolleyes: A lot of people can't stand high humidity either.

Most chicks on Tinder are more upfront that this, but whatev...
I’d rather deal with humidity than living in an oven. Plus, I think Arizona is a cope state for ex Californians imho.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Arizona is wonderful. I have a friend out there in Phoenix that I visit from time to time. I really liked Scottsdale the couple of times I was there (lots of attractive women if that is one of your main criteria in the decision making process).

A place that is underrated, well underrated probably isn't the correct word, is Charleston South Carolina. Not sure how many you have visited there - it's a college town, historic and full of gorgeous southern belles.
 

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I think Arizona is a cope state for ex Californians imho.
Ex-Californians have ruined Arizona. Both Phoenix and Tucson are overrun with them. The ex-Californians are even affecting the smaller towns in Arizona too.

There are few states that have declined as much in quality since 1990 as Arizona. Arizona was not meant to be a populous state. The two biggest metros (Phoenix and Tucson) are located in the hot part of the state. There's been limited development in higher elevation, more temperate Northern Arizona.

The whole state is in a fragile natural ecosystem. It has been overdeveloped since at least 1990. There are significant water issues surrounding the Colorado River.

While both Phoenix and Tucson have grown a lot since the 1980s, the infrastructure hasn't kept pace. There are few corporate headquarters in both Phoenix and Tucson. I think that is more problematic for Phoenix since it is so much larger than Tucson. Older, more established companies were not established in Phoenix because Phoenix was basically nothing 65-75 years ago right when Baby Boomers were first being born. Also, as Phoenix as grown, newer tech companies didn't establish themselves there in bigger numbers. In Metro Phoenix, a lot of the general business jobs are lackluster. If your job is in the medical industry, Phoenix has a decent employment base. The medical industry has always done quite well in Phoenix due to the fact that the area is a hub for retirees needing medical services.



The two links discuss University of Arizona and Arizona State grads leaving the state. Phoenix and Tucson corporate employment isn't good enough to retain college grads in a lot of cases.

Arizona is wonderful. I have a friend out there in Phoenix that I visit from time to time. I really liked Scottsdale the couple of times I was there (lots of attractive women if that is one of your main criteria in the decision making process).
Arizona is the classic 'Nice place to visit for a week, but not a great place to live' place.
 

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Ex-Californians have ruined Arizona. Both Phoenix and Tucson are overrun with them. The ex-Californians are even affecting the smaller towns in Arizona too.

There are few states that have declined as much in quality since 1990 as Arizona. Arizona was not meant to be a populous state. The two biggest metros (Phoenix and Tucson) are located in the hot part of the state. There's been limited development in higher elevation, more temperate Northern Arizona.

The whole state is in a fragile natural ecosystem. It has been overdeveloped since at least 1990. There are significant water issues surrounding the Colorado River.

While both Phoenix and Tucson have grown a lot since the 1980s, the infrastructure hasn't kept pace. There are few corporate headquarters in both Phoenix and Tucson. I think that is more problematic for Phoenix since it is so much larger than Tucson. Older, more established companies were not established in Phoenix because Phoenix was basically nothing 65-75 years ago right when Baby Boomers were first being born. Also, as Phoenix as grown, newer tech companies didn't establish themselves there in bigger numbers. In Metro Phoenix, a lot of the general business jobs are lackluster. If your job is in the medical industry, Phoenix has a decent employment base. The medical industry has always done quite well in Phoenix due to the fact that the area is a hub for retirees needing medical services.



The two links discuss University of Arizona and Arizona State grads leaving the state. Phoenix and Tucson corporate employment isn't good enough to retain college grads in a lot of cases.



Arizona is the classic 'Nice place to visit for a week, but not a great place to live' place.
The brain drain is reversing with how bad CA now is imo.
 
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