"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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When was this forum made?

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The farthest back I've seen posts from here is from early 2001. I'm just a tad bit curious :)
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Yeah, but there was a server crash or something and they lost the posts from before then.........

I'm curious too :D
 
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And how come it turned out as it did? The front page wasn't all special, but it attracted a lot of really amazing guys like Anti-Dump and so on, and made the word "DJ" mean something more than "PUA"... what I'm wondering is was it by invite, did Allen already know some of these guys, or was it just chance.. or what?
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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ah the ode to the old webpage.

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I remember signing up for the DJ tips via e-mail back in 2000. Got cut off because I couldn't think of anything to contribute within 6 months!
 
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Jeez...Desdinova thanks for posting the pic up. My god. Didn't realize how much it changed. Used to spend hours in 2001 reading hundreds of articles (and it did me so much good haha) until my father checked the history and saw i was on this site. Followed by a 1 hour lecture on how this is not the way to act and trying to be a DJ is wrong....*sigh*...good times
 
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bit off topic guys, but would you say this forum has gone downhill from the beginning, i know i wasnt around then but reading posts from back then there was a real determination to help each other, now it seems like everyones trying to prove they're the best by belittling other members and their even seems to be more negative posts from when i joined a little less than a year ago

what do you guys think?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Latinoman said:
What is Allen's ID?
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SoSuave.com

Funny tidbit: Until he deleted it, he actually had a second Admin account using his real name. Didn't have any posts though.
 
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playa99 said:
bit off topic guys, but would you say this forum has gone downhill from the beginning, i know i wasnt around then but reading posts from back then there was a real determination to help each other, now it seems like everyones trying to prove they're the best by belittling other members and their even seems to be more negative posts from when i joined a little less than a year ago

what do you guys think?
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Pheh, it's been said often enough; I think this forum's just passed through the stage of maturity where people don't all know each other anymore, and you get the good stuff watered down a bit.

It's still a cool forum. For its size, it's matured well I'd say.
 
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Desdinova said:
The front page looked different than it does now. From what I can recall, it was black with mostly text.

http://web.archive.org/web/20000511071149/http://www.sosuave.com/
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Hey I actually remember that black front page. I joined in May 2003, do you know when it was changed?

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bit off topic guys, but would you say this forum has gone downhill from the beginning, i know i wasnt around then but reading posts from back then there was a real determination to help each other, now it seems like everyones trying to prove they're the best by belittling other members and their even seems to be more negative posts from when i joined a little less than a year ago
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I'm with Gubby, the site has grown & matured. With everything else in life, you lose aspects when you grow, there are advantages and disadvantages. The biggest advantage is more people are getting help and utilizing the knowledge contained herein. The downside is the haters, jealousy etc...
 
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MacAvoy said:
Hey I actually remember that black front page. I joined in May 2003, do you know when it was changed?
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I think it changed when we got our current version of vBulletin. Don't quote me on that though, I rarely visit the main page.

Remember that chick in the upper left-hand corner that everyone said wasn't hot enough? It was really irritating seeing posts about that every goddam week.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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:) interesting stuff ^^

Hey I noticed people were posting on the "unusual techniques in seduction" forum nowadays.. but it's totally hidden as far as I can see, what gives?
 
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Gubby said:
LOL speaking of SS's murky past, I was digging and found mysteriously some posts were in a SHADOW FORUM which no longer exists!! :eek:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=22

"Unusual techniques in seduction"!
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So what?

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=23

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=18

Don't forget ones that don't have links anymore: The "23 and Up" Mature Man forum, the "jokes and humor" forum, and the "bars and clubs" forum.
 
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Haha interesting. I remember the old front page and bible. As well as the old forums they look terrible now :p lol the 'Don Juan Centre'.

Forums and bible are better than the main page in my opinion, although that can be good too. I'm well past the need to read much now though.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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