What will marriage give a man that he doesn’t already have?

[mrgoodstuff]

Even for those of us guys that are monogamy oriented, we are not necessarily marriage + kids oriented to the extent we would choose someone we aren't extremely attracted to personality wise and physically just because she would make a great mother. I think the marriage oriented guys and girls are literally attracted to those traits more than interpersonal attraction itself. When I look at the women that would have been marriage material that I pushed away usually it was because they were just not intellectual enough for me. in a sense we are looking for some sort of weird Disney thing where we get Perfect Chemistry between two non-traditional people but no other obligations, and then we expect that type of girl who isn't even interested in marriage really to act traditionally.

How could one not interest in marriage be good for LTR or anything other than sex?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Red pill is an ideology that's mostly geared towards women.

It cannot work in the long run.

Even believing in hypergamy is in essence a defeatist mindset - it's just another side of the same coin thats being perpetuated by the feminine imperative.

Wrong model.

The flip side is yoh have several females you bang and its easy.

 

[Spaz]

The flip side is yoh have several females you bang and its easy.

Yes. That mindset propels a man to think of winning stratagems that's fluid.

The masculine imperative is to win.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes. That mindset propels a man to think of winning stratagems that's fluid.

The masculine imperative is to win.

Either win or get cvcked.

 

[Spaz]

Ok weirdo

The weirdness is in a man who's made over 5000 post complaining abt women over the years in SS and still continues doing the same.

Anything special there ?

 

[Spaz]

Real life vs Third world

You mean the real life of a man who continuously loses.

Isn't it time you stop being a victim of ur own mindset ?

 

[Spaz]

Move to the first world then brag lol

It always amuses me when men think that a more feminine Asian women will feel excited to be with weak men.

The feminine imperative always seeks a strong masculine frame.

Allowing women to bully you continously is not a sign of strength nor wisdom, it is a symptom of being an incapable man who understandably has much to fear.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Only get married if you found a suitable woman to raise children with. There is no other reason.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Then she has a fake leader who is actually weak, proving her point that all men r weak.

Yes such a women exist in ALL women.

So it just hit me. Many are complaining on widespread political scripts being run. Thats what it is. What if her politics "leads" her? That the best you can do is assist in some ways. Thats why many of them do what their peers do. This is why many are un leadable. You will get steamrolled if you interact more than pump and dump because her group controls her.

This is why many of them screw who they are supposed to and get group approval. They dont want to go against their politics.

 

[lamath]

So it just hit me. Many are complaining on widespread political scripts being run. Thats what it is. What if her politics "leads" her? That the best you can do is assist in some ways. Thats why many of them do what their peers do. This is why many are un leadable. You will get steamrolled if you interact more than pump and dump because her group controls her.

This is why many of them screw who they are supposed to and get group approval. They dont want to go against their politics.

I wonder if those political script end game is?
For sure its not just giving more power to women, there is something else.
Overpopulation control maybe?

 

[Focal core]

Ah yes. Your default personal attack when you have no intelligent reply.
Stay classy Spaz .

Ive already ignored him.. Theres a button for it.. Finally!

 

[thelad]

As a man currently divorcing and oh damn glad to! marriage for a guy is the increased perceived social status easier access to sex focus on increasing wealth with joint incomes but if you decrease in value or take ur eye off the ball in a marriage and not work for her she will dump your ass. end of. marriage isn't for the men its the for the women. dont do it. your at ur most powerful when you have everything bar a woman...then ur ready to game on. took me a year after leaving her to realise this....crazy

 

[CalabreseMike]

As a man currently divorcing and oh damn glad to! marriage for a guy is the increased perceived social status easier access to sex focus on increasing wealth with joint incomes but if you decrease in value or take ur eye off the ball in a marriage and not work for her she will dump your ass. end of. marriage isn't for the men its the for the women. dont do it. your at ur most powerful when you have everything bar a woman...then ur ready to game on. took me a year after leaving her to realise this....crazy

Agree completely.

 

[CalabreseMike]

How could one not interest in marriage be good for LTR or anything other than sex?

Sometimes you meet a woman so groundedhit and mature on many levels and your like....wow, where did she come from. But it’s rare.

 

[Spaz]

Your assumption is you're strong, but you're playing in EZ mode so you have no frame of reference for Western game.

Weak men with weak game will lose in all modes.

Even in training mode you complain endlessly.

 

[Spaz]

How would you know since you're isolated in Asia?

Because I've fvcked in Europe, Australia and in the US.

But never in Africa or South America

 

[Spaz]

How long did you live there?

I travel on business.

 

[Spaz]

Make a thread on asian game then, that's what you know. Somewhat relevant to the Pacific Northwest.

There's no Asian game, Western game, African game, or whatever game.

Locations doesn't matter. Women are women no matter if she's in the jungle or in the cities.

The only real tangible obstacles any man will face in many different countries is language.

 

[Spaz]

the sounds like someone from a trailer park would say not someone who's actually experience women from a broad variety of cultures.

It's not my fault you can't even get laid regulary within your own immediate surroundings.

It's even less my fault that you're not well travelled to know the differences I'm talking.

However if you insist that complaining endlessly in training mode makes you better equipped to sustain a woman's interest, then by all means continue.

 

[Spaz]

I've been ruminating on this lately.

I was married for about three years. The relationship was fine but I hated being married at the time. It wasn't what I wanted at the time, long story and my fault for doing it. I held frame the entire time, up until I decided to divorce. She was great, it was just I who was the problem.

My last LTR, she wanted desperately to marry me and have my kids. Or maybe just to marry and have kids. I felt like an accessory to her. She'd show me off on social media and get jealous over pics of engagement rings and crap like that. I could tell it wasn't about me and her, it was about her and the "big day." Naturally, that didn't last.

Someone, I think Spaz, said in this thread that women are all the same worldwide. That's true to an extent. But I've noticed a lot of differences, and I hate to be that guy but I've just had subpar experiences with American women. Unless she's more conservative and traditional, chances are she's messed up in some way or has an obnoxious attitude. And I see less of that in certain other countries and with the foreign women I've been with. And I think it goes hand in hand with how family-oriented they are. This has been my experience anyway. In the US there's such isolation and disregard for family and tradition that I can see why a lot of men look at marriage and ask: What's the point? And with good reason. Plus around here there seem to be men who backed into marriages when they didn't know better, were blue pill, etc.

I stand by my opinion that marriage is good for raising kids if you find and screen for the right person. I don't have all the answers. Sometimes lately I get the pull to have children but I would never make that decision lightly. Anyway, I'm not sure where I'm going with all this, except to say that things are really fukked up and it's no surprise most men would rather take a stick in the eye than get married.

I understand and do empathise with men which is perhaps the major reason why I'm still around after gaining the knowledge on my own predicament early this year.

I can unequivocally say that all women are the same from a biologically stand point regardless if she's a westerner or an asian or from some other hemisphere.

A woman's biological imperative knows no boundaries nor culture nor hemispheres. It would be foolishness to think a woman from another culture will NOT adhere to the feminine imperative.