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What will marriage give a man that he doesn’t already have?

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Make a thread on asian game then, that's what you know. Somewhat relevant to the Pacific Northwest.
There's no Asian game, Western game, African game, or whatever game.

Locations doesn't matter. Women are women no matter if she's in the jungle or in the cities.

The only real tangible obstacles any man will face in many different countries is language.
 

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the sounds like someone from a trailer park would say not someone who's actually experience women from a broad variety of cultures.
It's not my fault you can't even get laid regulary within your own immediate surroundings.

It's even less my fault that you're not well travelled to know the differences I'm talking.

However if you insist that complaining endlessly in training mode makes you better equipped to sustain a woman's interest, then by all means continue.
 

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I've been ruminating on this lately.

I was married for about three years. The relationship was fine but I hated being married at the time. It wasn't what I wanted at the time, long story and my fault for doing it. I held frame the entire time, up until I decided to divorce. She was great, it was just I who was the problem.

My last LTR, she wanted desperately to marry me and have my kids. Or maybe just to marry and have kids. I felt like an accessory to her. She'd show me off on social media and get jealous over pics of engagement rings and crap like that. I could tell it wasn't about me and her, it was about her and the "big day." Naturally, that didn't last.

Someone, I think Spaz, said in this thread that women are all the same worldwide. That's true to an extent. But I've noticed a lot of differences, and I hate to be that guy but I've just had subpar experiences with American women. Unless she's more conservative and traditional, chances are she's messed up in some way or has an obnoxious attitude. And I see less of that in certain other countries and with the foreign women I've been with. And I think it goes hand in hand with how family-oriented they are. This has been my experience anyway. In the US there's such isolation and disregard for family and tradition that I can see why a lot of men look at marriage and ask: What's the point? And with good reason. Plus around here there seem to be men who backed into marriages when they didn't know better, were blue pill, etc.

I stand by my opinion that marriage is good for raising kids if you find and screen for the right person. I don't have all the answers. Sometimes lately I get the pull to have children but I would never make that decision lightly. Anyway, I'm not sure where I'm going with all this, except to say that things are really fukked up and it's no surprise most men would rather take a stick in the eye than get married.
 

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I've been ruminating on this lately.

I was married for about three years. The relationship was fine but I hated being married at the time. It wasn't what I wanted at the time, long story and my fault for doing it. I held frame the entire time, up until I decided to divorce. She was great, it was just I who was the problem.

My last LTR, she wanted desperately to marry me and have my kids. Or maybe just to marry and have kids. I felt like an accessory to her. She'd show me off on social media and get jealous over pics of engagement rings and crap like that. I could tell it wasn't about me and her, it was about her and the "big day." Naturally, that didn't last.

Someone, I think Spaz, said in this thread that women are all the same worldwide. That's true to an extent. But I've noticed a lot of differences, and I hate to be that guy but I've just had subpar experiences with American women. Unless she's more conservative and traditional, chances are she's messed up in some way or has an obnoxious attitude. And I see less of that in certain other countries and with the foreign women I've been with. And I think it goes hand in hand with how family-oriented they are. This has been my experience anyway. In the US there's such isolation and disregard for family and tradition that I can see why a lot of men look at marriage and ask: What's the point? And with good reason. Plus around here there seem to be men who backed into marriages when they didn't know better, were blue pill, etc.

I stand by my opinion that marriage is good for raising kids if you find and screen for the right person. I don't have all the answers. Sometimes lately I get the pull to have children but I would never make that decision lightly. Anyway, I'm not sure where I'm going with all this, except to say that things are really fukked up and it's no surprise most men would rather take a stick in the eye than get married.
I understand and do empathise with men which is perhaps the major reason why I'm still around after gaining the knowledge on my own predicament early this year.

I can unequivocally say that all women are the same from a biologically stand point regardless if she's a westerner or an asian or from some other hemisphere.

A woman's biological imperative knows no boundaries nor culture nor hemispheres. It would be foolishness to think a woman from another culture will NOT adhere to the feminine imperative.
 

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I understand and do empathise with men which is perhaps the major reason why I'm still around after gaining the knowledge on my own predicament early this year.

I can unequivocally say that all women are the same from a biologically stand point regardless if she's a westerner or an asian or from some other hemisphere.

A woman's biological imperative knows no boundaries nor culture nor hemispheres. It would be foolishness to think a woman from another culture will NOT adhere to the feminine imperative.
I hear you. Like I said, I agree to a point. Some countries have higher "anti slvt" thresholds, shaming mechanisms, etc. That won't necessarily stop a woman, of course. I know women who have cheated and wouldn't even tell their BFFs for fear of appearing slvtty. But there are cultural differences that can't be discounted - that's been my experience, and just having to do with hypergamy etc. We all have biological imperatives. The question is what are the consequences and how do they differ. In my experience, women are the same "biologically" but to varying degrees culturally. I'd never whistle past any graveyard or let myself backslide framewise, but, well, I know more than ever what I like and what I don't.
 

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I hear you. Like I said, I agree to a point. Some countries have higher "anti slvt" thresholds, shaming mechanisms, etc. That won't necessarily stop a woman, of course. I know women who have cheated and wouldn't even tell their BFFs for fear of appearing slvtty. But there are cultural differences that can't be discounted - that's been my experience, and just having to do with hypergamy etc. We all have biological imperatives. The question is what are the consequences and how do they differ. In my experience, women are the same "biologically" but to varying degrees culturally. I'd never whistle past any graveyard or let myself backslide framewise, but, well, I know more than ever what I like and what I don't.
Yes I too concur with your views.

In terms of cultural differences that makes women more palatable towards masculinity then yes.

In Asian society it is an accepted rule that men must fall within the masculine frame and women within the feminine frame. But there's an erosion on a delayed scale similar to what has happened in western societies.

It's my contention via observations that men themselves are to be blamed.

Traditionally in Asia it's a given rule that men took up training and mentoring their young son's/nephews/neighbours in the ways of being a man - the foundations of masculinity.

But as more men head to the cities and starts off the day as early as 5:30 am, and reaching home by 7:30 pm there's little if no time for the training of boys.

It's now left to the womenfolk to mentor them.

Unfortunately, despite all those good intentions, those boys grow up "different" and this version of men will invariably leave an impact on the women they interact with.

Whilst women can rely upon their feminine instincts to navigate life via interactions, they do so by being highly reactivate. If men are "feminine infused" then women will naturally lean towards being more " masculine infused".

I'm not sure you get my meaning but do ask.
 

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What will marriage give a man that he doesn’t already have?

Mmm...anxiety, confusion, loss of self, co-dependency and eventually a good chance of sexlessness, divorce and child support payments. All just for some cuddling, lovin' and poon...for a little while.

This is what escorts are for. Lol
 
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