flowtheory
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Do women often touch you guys on first dates? I’ve found I can touch, and they do not recoil, however seldomly do they touch or reach out to me.
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Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Touching on first date.
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She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
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EyeBRollin
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It depends on the woman. I always advise against touching on the first date unless she initiates first.
flowtheory
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How come?
EyeBRollin
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First dates are with total strangers. It's inappropriate to touch people you don't know. If you let her come to you the timing is always correct.
old_skoolr
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I usually start kino with a high 5 or a fist bump.
It's usually when she's said something or done something I approve of.
It's usually when she's said something or done something I approve of.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Doctor Europeo
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We all know some girls will actually have sex on first date even if you just met.
But for the rest of them, I´ll grab her hand or arm when we are both laughing very hard. If she agrees to second date, I´ll put my arm around her waist.
But for the rest of them, I´ll grab her hand or arm when we are both laughing very hard. If she agrees to second date, I´ll put my arm around her waist.
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Touching has nothing to do with taking the lead.
devilkingx2
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Depends entirely on the context.
If you are actually strangers who just met and barely know each other (OLD and you exchanged numbers and set a date in under an hour then went ghost til the day of), then probably hold off on touching until you receive a green light and things seem to be going very well (or she touches you first)
But in the far more likely scenario that you guys have talked and known each other for days/weeks beforehand (classmates, co-workers/social circle/etc. And anyone you interacted with a lot, like cashiers at your local supermarket) then of course you should start kinoing ASAP and work your way up slowly.
If she thinks of you as a total stranger and you didn't just meet, that's a horrible sign
If you are actually strangers who just met and barely know each other (OLD and you exchanged numbers and set a date in under an hour then went ghost til the day of), then probably hold off on touching until you receive a green light and things seem to be going very well (or she touches you first)
But in the far more likely scenario that you guys have talked and known each other for days/weeks beforehand (classmates, co-workers/social circle/etc. And anyone you interacted with a lot, like cashiers at your local supermarket) then of course you should start kinoing ASAP and work your way up slowly.
If she thinks of you as a total stranger and you didn't just meet, that's a horrible sign