Top tier guys

[Cheeky_James]

I have to post this.

I recently saw someone (whom I won’t mention ) give an example of Dua Lipa and her partner Callum Turner. And rate her a 9 and him a 7-8 guy. Theorising it was more than just his looks etc that got him Dua Lipa.

I had to google Callum Turner.
(Actor and former UK fashion Model)

Guys. If anyone here thinks Callum Turner is a 7-8 ya need your head checked and SMV meter recalibrated. Asap.
Turner is Top Tier guy - aka Tall, Dark & Handsome. A 10/10.

as is this guy Ghandy

And this guy Jaric

This low smv rating madness needs to stop!!
CJ

 

[BeExcellent]

Ghandy is the only attractive man of those 3 imo. Sincerely, the old lady.

None are fat, and I have nothing but looks to go on....but yeah, only the one is attractive in my book.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Ghandy is the only attractive man of those 3 imo. Sincerely, the old lady.

None are fat, and I have nothing but looks to go on....but yeah, only the one is attractive in my book.

LMAO

 

[Atom Smasher]

You’re very focused on looks. Your job is to make her FEEL.
Looks can sometimes be a foot in the door, but let me tell you, you can easily alter a woman’s assessment of how you look by making her feel good vibes about you. Unlike men where a woman’s looks are locked in, it’s entirely different with women. Their perceptions are malleable.
I think that the looks focus holds men back more than any other factor. It’s an unnecessary barrier that men create for themselves. It’s there because you believe it’s there.
I learned in my 50s that less than stellar genetic looks can easily be compensated for. I simply decided to believe it once the light was turned on in my little brain.
Concern about genetic looks is folly, and comparison is your enemy. Do what you can to maximize your looks within reason, and then make sure your wardrobe is neat and clean, and you will be more than halfway there. The rest is knowing that you can develop your personality to make her FEEL good things. That’s another study in and of itself.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I have to post this.

I recently saw someone (whom I won’t mention ) give an example of Dua Lipa and her partner Callum Turner. And rate her a 9 and him a 7-8 guy. Theorising it was more than just his looks etc that got him Dua Lipa.

I had to google Callum Turner.
(Actor and former UK fashion Model)

Guys. If anyone here thinks Callum Turner is a 7-8 ya need your head checked and SMV meter recalibrated. Asap.
Turner is Top Tier guy - aka Tall, Dark & Handsome. A 10/10.

as is this guy Ghandy

And this guy Jaric

This low smv rating madness needs to stop!!
CJ

The bizarre homoerotic obsession with Chad continues.

BTW, that 7/8 is an ACTOR!

Status, consensus, social proof and criminality and transgressive behavior far outweigh looks.

Gee, I wonder how this happened?!

 

[Manure Spherian]

Wow, how come this guy had women throwing themselves at at him?

 

[Identikit_Radiohead]

The bizarre homoerotic obsession with Chad continues.

BTW, that 7/8 is an ACTOR!

Status, consensus, social proof and criminality and transgressive behavior far outweigh looks.

Gee, I wonder how this happened?! View attachment 15947

99.999999% of men won't ever achieve the status of Joe Pesci. Guy had millions, was status-maxxed so of course he could punch through the roof and get a fit blonde 7-8/10. He was a 4/10 in his prime.

If Joe Pesci was say just a factory operative, plumber, builders hand, van driver on a normal or normal-low income, he'd get an overweight perhaps obese, ugly woman, even if he 'lifted' weights and was lean & fit in his spare time. He'd be with a 2 or 3/10 fat ugly woman.

I just have to laugh at you guys using rich high status men as 'proof' that men can date desirable-looking women.

Tons of things have changed since the 80's and 90's as well, such as internet, cellphones, smartphones and double the amount of overweight/obese/ugly people compared to 30 years ago etc. You're now not only competing with not just a few local men for 1 slim average girl, but thousands of men nationally and internationally for a non-overweight "Mid" woman. Not that 7.5/10 blonde hottie seen with Pesci in the picture, i'm talking a non-fat "5" here.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I just have to laugh at you guys using rich high status men as 'proof' that men can date desirable-looking women.

Did ya see the post I responded to?

And yes, women bypass good looking men for high status and criminal men. Hence fraternity doofuses monopolize college sexual markets.

 

[Solomon]

You’re very focused on looks. Your job is to make her FEEL.
Looks can sometimes be a foot in the door, but let me tell you, you can easily alter a woman’s assessment of how you look by making her feel good vibes about you. Unlike men where a woman’s looks are locked in, it’s entirely different with women. Their perceptions are malleable.
I think that the looks focus holds men back more than any other factor. It’s an unnecessary barrier that men create for themselves. It’s there because you believe it’s there.
I learned in my 50s that less than stellar genetic looks can easily be compensated for. I simply decided to believe it once the light was turned on in my little brain.
Concern about genetic looks is folly, and comparison is your enemy. Do what you can to maximize your looks within reason, and then make sure your wardrobe is neat and clean, and you will be more than halfway there. The rest is knowing that you can develop your personality to make her FEEL good things. That’s another study in and of itself.

Sensei Atom Smasher is back!!!! wooohooo how you been oh Sage one?

 

[Cheeky_James]

Hi Guys
A special someone asked me to pass on a message.; so I’ve typed it out for him.
——-

Hi guys,
It’s me , David Ghandy!
My dear friend CJ has told me about your great discussion forum. It sounds so cool! I just want to tell you all that you are correct. It’s all about that CONFIDENCE. I remember when I was a young man, believe it or not, I actually lacked confidence too ( yes even me )… but then I just turned around, looked in the mirror, and that was the end of that sentence.
So keep it up guys.
Just Be Confident Bros!
And keep going strong with your self improvement activities forever.
Hey, I’m just like you guys. I put my pants on one leg at a time too
Regards,
Your friend,
The rediculously handsome, charming, debonair and suave (because-that’s-just-what-I-look-like-and none-of- that--can-actually-be-learned)
David ‘Dandy’ Ghandy .CMSM.

PS - please accept this signed photograph of my face. Note I cannot actually read or write ( or do most any normal everyday things )so I just sign it with an ‘X’. Thanks, DG

 

[UK manc]

I have to post this.

I recently saw someone (whom I won’t mention ) give an example of Dua Lipa and her partner Callum Turner. And rate her a 9 and him a 7-8 guy. Theorising it was more than just his looks etc that got him Dua Lipa.

I had to google Callum Turner.
(Actor and former UK fashion Model)

Guys. If anyone here thinks Callum Turner is a 7-8 ya need your head checked and SMV meter recalibrated. Asap.
Turner is Top Tier guy - aka Tall, Dark & Handsome. A 10/10.

as is this guy Ghandy

And this guy Jaric

This low smv rating madness needs to stop!!
CJ

Any theories about when Clean Shaven works?

I much prefer being clean shaven as it feels so much cleaner and comfortable. Two days growth seems a bit of a sweet spot for me, when it's not too "rough" but there's a good full beard shadow .

 

[Cheeky_James]

You’re very focused on looks. Your job is to make her FEEL.
Looks can sometimes be a foot in the door, but let me tell you, you can easily alter a woman’s assessment of how you look by making her feel good vibes about you. Unlike men where a woman’s looks are locked in, it’s entirely different with women. Their perceptions are malleable.
I think that the looks focus holds men back more than any other factor. It’s an unnecessary barrier that men create for themselves. It’s there because you believe it’s there.
I learned in my 50s that less than stellar genetic looks can easily be compensated for. I simply decided to believe it once the light was turned on in my little brain.
Concern about genetic looks is folly, and comparison is your enemy. Do what you can to maximize your looks within reason, and then make sure your wardrobe is neat and clean, and you will be more than halfway there. The rest is knowing that you can develop your personality to make her FEEL good things. That’s another study in and of itself.

I had you on ignore for some reason idk why (don’t remeber doing that ) but re first bolded sentence.
This is a common PUA spin and reframe on the truth.
Dude when a woman sees a handsome man. She will indeed FEEL all those natural wonderful FEELINGS… and that is the end of that sentence.
David DeAngelo was dead righr about one thing. “ATTRACTION IS NOT A CHOICE”
Don’t know how he managed to sell 20+ DVD courses after that one , he was a great marketer. but anyway, I digress.
It’s either there or it’s not. And if it ain’t there you can’t put it there.it all happens in the blink of an eye mate.
If it doesn’t show up in his Looks. A woman can’t see a guys great self improvement efforts, so they don’t really matter that much.
So it’s 90% looksmaxxing and about 10% of confidence/game would be the correct mix of ‘strategies’
So Game becomes just (a) reading IOIs (b) confident approach (c) showing her your safe /relaxing her and (d) escalatiion to sex

That’s about the 10% of Game.
Pretty simple.

 

[Clockwerk50]

A weekend later, three new threads, and I’m more confused than ever about what OP’s point is or what case he’s trying to make

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You’re very focused on looks. Your job is to make her FEEL.
Looks can sometimes be a foot in the door, but let me tell you, you can easily alter a woman’s assessment of how you look by making her feel good vibes about you. Unlike men where a woman’s looks are locked in, it’s entirely different with women. Their perceptions are malleable.
I think that the looks focus holds men back more than any other factor. It’s an unnecessary barrier that men create for themselves. It’s there because you believe it’s there.
I learned in my 50s that less than stellar genetic looks can easily be compensated for. I simply decided to believe it once the light was turned on in my little brain.
Concern about genetic looks is folly, and comparison is your enemy. Do what you can to maximize your looks within reason, and then make sure your wardrobe is neat and clean, and you will be more than halfway there. The rest is knowing that you can develop your personality to make her FEEL good things. That’s another study in and of itself.

Your attractiveness to her seems to increase the more she actually likes you, which in large part aligns with what you are taking about.

 

[Bigpapa]

A weekend later, three new threads, and I’m more confused than ever about what OP’s point is or what case he’s trying to make

Seems like it is a serious rampage of mental problems happening to both men and women

 

[Atom Smasher]

I had you on ignore for some reason idk why (don’t remeber doing that ) but re first bolded sentence.
This is a common PUA spin and reframe on the truth.
Dude when a woman sees a handsome man. She will indeed FEEL all those natural wonderful FEELINGS… and that is the end of that sentence.
David DeAngelo was dead righr about one thing. “ATTRACTION IS NOT A CHOICE”
Don’t know how he managed to sell 20+ DVD courses after that one , he was a great marketer. but anyway, I digress.
It’s either there or it’s not. And if it ain’t there you can’t put it there.it all happens in the blink of an eye mate.
If it doesn’t show up in his Looks. A woman can’t see a guys great self improvement efforts, so they don’t really matter that much.
So it’s 90% looksmaxxing and about 10% of confidence/game would be the correct mix of ‘strategies’
So Game becomes just (a) reading IOIs (b) confident approach (c) showing her your safe /relaxing her and (d) escalatiion to sex

That’s about the 10% of Game.
Pretty simple.

You are so stuck in your view that I feel kind of bad for you. You’re spinning your wheels in the mud, man. I can tell you why you had me blocked. It’s because I make you feel uncomfortable with the truth I bring up. It gives you that uncomfortable cognitive dissonance because there’s a part of you that suspects I may be right. Acknowledging that would upset your entire world view.
Don’t forget, I’m talking from experience. The only solution for you is a few more years of experience. You’re going to be banging your head against this wall for a while until you acknowledge that men who have succeeded before you have hit upon truth. The proof is in the results.
If you think you have the formula figured out, why are you here wondering what’s wrong? Why isn’t your formula working?
The formula I outlined above works. It was enough to turn a complete loser with women into receiving constant attention from them. I’m not the greatest looking guy, maybe a 7.5 or a bit better when I’m really cleaned up, but I have the same problem nowadays that women have. I can’t go anywhere without women trying to chat me up. It’s annoying and I just want them to leave me alone. It’s because I exude masculine energy. It has nothing to do with my innate looks.
Today you are untouchable. I don’t know how old you are, but hopefully as you mature, you will step out of your black-and-white thinking and perceive the massive world that is hidden from you right now.
You could be enjoying a world of success, but you are blocked from that because of your limited beliefs regarding looks.

Edit: I see you’re 42. I’m 69 and it took me until my mid fifties to figure this stuff out, so I hold out hope that you get there. I used to believe as you fo and I got nowhere with women. Now at 69 the attention from them is often annoying. That’s a good problem to have. No amount of explanation will change your mind. Only the hard road of experience. By taking the time to write these things to you, I hope that you will draw from it someday when you’re ready.

 

[Cheeky_James]

A weekend later, three new threads, and I’m more confused than ever about what OP’s point is or what case he’s trying to make

My point is this forum is way off .
It should primiarily be a LooksMaxxing forum.
Just for the older demographic.
And thsi behavioural ‘Game’ stuff is much overhyped and absolutely debated and poked to death , when it’s not even that important and doesn’t move the needle with women.

if a woman likes a guys Looks, she will make it easy for him - and that goes all the way down the scale of a man’s SMV, all down the tiers and leagues of women. If a lot of ‘Game ‘ is required something is wrong .

and if that’s is the situation the women is ‘Gaming’ the man, and not the other way around. She has just played him, not vice versa.
Cos the average woman is a lot more cunning than the average man.

Trust and believe it.

 

[Atom Smasher]

My point is this forum is way off .
It should primiarily be a LooksMaxxing forum.
Just for the older demographic.
And thsi behavioural ‘Game’ stuff is much overhyped and absolutely debated and poked to death , when it’s not even that important and doesn’t move the needle with women.

if a woman likes a guys Looks, she will make it easy for him - and that goes all the way down the scale of a man’s SMV, all down the tiers and leagues of women. If a lot of ‘Game ‘ is required something is wrong .

and if that’s is the situation the women is ‘Gaming’ the man, and not the other way around. She has just played him, not vice versa.
Cos the average woman is a lot more cunning than the average man.

Trust and believe it.

Game has been a factor since the dawn of man. Women have always been deeply attracted to masculine energy. This phenomenon supersedes looks. Take this to the bank: when a man does the best with what he has, that is enough for most women. Looks at that point become completely irrelevant. It is all about how he makes her feel after that. An average man who shows some self-respect in the way that he presents himself will always be successful with women. That assumes, of course, that he has a well developed personality.

 

[Sega Genesis]

You’re very focused on looks. Your job is to make her FEEL.

Yeah I'm a bit confused about this "make her feel" as well. As if to suggest feelings can be manufactured by various strategies etc which I don't agree with.. It sounds manipulative.

@Atom Smasher do you mean connecting and investing in her mind first? Before expecting her to invest in your c0ck? If so I 100% agree with that but still, that won't "make her feel" if the chemistry/energy isn't there naturally IME.

Feelings, emotions, the "chemistry" two people feel when meeting and beyond simply exists, it's intangible and often times cannot be explained logically. It's an energy.and based on many things including looks which are subjective. It's natural and organic or should be imo and experience

CJ you may believe chemistry is based solely on looks and that's part of it however I have had experiences where a man was objectively hot but did NOT move or pull ME in the least.

Some of my friends didn't quite get it, but nope he did nothing for ME. Despite some men being objectively hot or models etc when I lived and worked in NYC.

Don't even ask what pulls me, I have been drawn and attracted to all different types, I just know what I like and yes "feel" when I meet him.

It's an energy. It's what I felt with my boyfriend when I first met him at a party which resulted in us talking, laughing, bantering for nearly three hours.

He also happens to be extremely handsome (to me) which was a big part of it and initially pulled me but if that natural chemistry hadn't existed between us, I wouldn't have remained talking etc for several hours and would not have said yes when he invited me out on a date.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Sensei Atom Smasher is back!!!! wooohooo how you been oh Sage one?

Haha thank you. I see you still have the wisdom of your namesake!
I’m doing great. As you know, I’ve been married for a few years now, and I’m enjoying a good life. I came back out of curiosity. I wanted to see how the forum has evolved, if at all. I’m enjoying reading your posts.