LondonTowers
Don Juan
... stop all this self hate and women hate and let's get back to self improvement and seduction. Feels like 90% of the guys here haven't even read the DJ Bible let alone attempted to practice it.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
El Payaso said:Careful. You might get called an idiot beta loser.
Priceless.PairPlusRoyalFlush said:Always feel like posters that make threads like this are the equivalent of that ****y beta
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
The forums goals need to be re-instated from time to time. I learnt a lot from here through the stories of how to express individual masculinity. Hearing men being men.PairPlusRoyalFlush said:Always feel like posters that make threads like this are the equivalent of that ****y beta male we all knew that finally got a girlfriend at 25 and now is up in everyone's face about it feeling superior lol.
I actually feel this should be a new forum section rather than a thread. Then merge 'Don Juan Tips' and 'Don Juan Discussion' as a place for seduction and personal development and have 'Don Juan Shafted' as a place for women problems.MidnightCity said:hell im tempted to start a thread and make an ongoing compendium of nothing but stories of guys getting truly shafted by women on a regular basis. that should really spice things up around here
LondonTowers said:I actually feel this should be a new forum section rather than a thread. Then merge 'Don Juan Tips' and 'Don Juan Discussion' as a place for seduction and personal development and have 'Don Juan Shafted' as a place for women problems.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
I have that beat. I got a whole post dedicated to me on CH about being a butthurt feministEl Payaso said:Careful. You might get called an idiot beta loser.
That's the whole point, they don't WANT to improve themselves. Dropping out of normal society crying about their failures is all that they can do. How many of those guys ever write an insipring thread? It's all about self hate and how women are all bad and how true successful men are all betas. Same old KJ type threads day in and day out.LondonTowers said:... stop all this self hate and women hate and let's get back to self improvement and seduction. Feels like 90% of the guys here haven't even read the DJ Bible let alone attempted to practice it.
How come you agree with this? You agreed with the self and women hating posts. Seduction? MGTOW's call seduction beta bro.Mauser96 said:Exactly.
Let's talk about confidence.
Making money
Life choices
Paying debt off
Seduction
Mauser96 said:I want young men, all men to learn how to be successful and happy.
I am not a woman hater. I do believe women will take advantage of you, if you let them. Some of them to the EXTREME.
Being sucessfull and happy means professionally, financially, and dating wise.
This SHOULD be a place where men come for advice of all kinds.
You say MGTOW's call seduction beta? OK. Then they can skip the seduction threads.
You CAN date without being taken advantage of, and stand up for yourself. A woman CAN add to your life, but not all will.
There are 1000 levels of MGTOW, and men will move among those levels over time.
The point everyone has forgotten is the goal is to IMPROVE yourself.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
As far the self-hate, there's nothing we can do make a dude feel better about himself. If he doesn't want to listen to the advice and vent, that's on him.LondonTowers said:... stop all this self hate and women hate and let's get back to self improvement and seduction.
Is it "women hate," or the truth. The fact of the matter is the majority of women are scandalous muthaf*ckas who lack integrity, morals, values, and are extremely mendacious.LondonTowers said:and women hate
They haven't.LondonTowers said:Feels like 90% of the guys here haven't even read the DJ Bible let alone attempted to practice it.
guru1000 said:I have full respect for women. I think every household in the world should own one.
You shoulda seen when PlayHer Man was here. Speaking of which, apparently Poon King thinks that guys who have girlfriends are White Knights? Lol, that's a good one.BrainDamage92 said:The slut hate is not what bothers me.
What bothers me is brothers fighting like little kids with personal attacks, over the Internet, and Im talking 40 year old dudes.
I think it wasnt like that back when I joined a couple of months ago.
Having a girlfriend and worshiping women isn't the same thing.skinnyguy said:You shoulda seen when PlayHer Man was here. Speaking of which, apparently Poon King thinks that guys who have girlfriends are White Knights? Lol, that's a good one.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.