LondonTowers
Don Juan
... stop all this self hate and women hate and let's get back to self improvement and seduction. Feels like 90% of the guys here haven't even read the DJ Bible let alone attempted to practice it.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
El Payaso said:Careful. You might get called an idiot beta loser.
Priceless.PairPlusRoyalFlush said:Always feel like posters that make threads like this are the equivalent of that ****y beta
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
The forums goals need to be re-instated from time to time. I learnt a lot from here through the stories of how to express individual masculinity. Hearing men being men.PairPlusRoyalFlush said:Always feel like posters that make threads like this are the equivalent of that ****y beta male we all knew that finally got a girlfriend at 25 and now is up in everyone's face about it feeling superior lol.
I actually feel this should be a new forum section rather than a thread. Then merge 'Don Juan Tips' and 'Don Juan Discussion' as a place for seduction and personal development and have 'Don Juan Shafted' as a place for women problems.MidnightCity said:hell im tempted to start a thread and make an ongoing compendium of nothing but stories of guys getting truly shafted by women on a regular basis. that should really spice things up around here
LondonTowers said:I actually feel this should be a new forum section rather than a thread. Then merge 'Don Juan Tips' and 'Don Juan Discussion' as a place for seduction and personal development and have 'Don Juan Shafted' as a place for women problems.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
I have that beat. I got a whole post dedicated to me on CH about being a butthurt feministEl Payaso said:Careful. You might get called an idiot beta loser.
That's the whole point, they don't WANT to improve themselves. Dropping out of normal society crying about their failures is all that they can do. How many of those guys ever write an insipring thread? It's all about self hate and how women are all bad and how true successful men are all betas. Same old KJ type threads day in and day out.LondonTowers said:... stop all this self hate and women hate and let's get back to self improvement and seduction. Feels like 90% of the guys here haven't even read the DJ Bible let alone attempted to practice it.
How come you agree with this? You agreed with the self and women hating posts. Seduction? MGTOW's call seduction beta bro.Mauser96 said:Exactly.
Let's talk about confidence.
Making money
Life choices
Paying debt off
Seduction
Mauser96 said:I want young men, all men to learn how to be successful and happy.
I am not a woman hater. I do believe women will take advantage of you, if you let them. Some of them to the EXTREME.
Being sucessfull and happy means professionally, financially, and dating wise.
This SHOULD be a place where men come for advice of all kinds.
You say MGTOW's call seduction beta? OK. Then they can skip the seduction threads.
You CAN date without being taken advantage of, and stand up for yourself. A woman CAN add to your life, but not all will.
There are 1000 levels of MGTOW, and men will move among those levels over time.
The point everyone has forgotten is the goal is to IMPROVE yourself.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
As far the self-hate, there's nothing we can do make a dude feel better about himself. If he doesn't want to listen to the advice and vent, that's on him.LondonTowers said:... stop all this self hate and women hate and let's get back to self improvement and seduction.
Is it "women hate," or the truth. The fact of the matter is the majority of women are scandalous muthaf*ckas who lack integrity, morals, values, and are extremely mendacious.LondonTowers said:and women hate
They haven't.LondonTowers said:Feels like 90% of the guys here haven't even read the DJ Bible let alone attempted to practice it.
guru1000 said:I have full respect for women. I think every household in the world should own one.
You shoulda seen when PlayHer Man was here. Speaking of which, apparently Poon King thinks that guys who have girlfriends are White Knights? Lol, that's a good one.BrainDamage92 said:The slut hate is not what bothers me.
What bothers me is brothers fighting like little kids with personal attacks, over the Internet, and Im talking 40 year old dudes.
I think it wasnt like that back when I joined a couple of months ago.
Having a girlfriend and worshiping women isn't the same thing.skinnyguy said:You shoulda seen when PlayHer Man was here. Speaking of which, apparently Poon King thinks that guys who have girlfriends are White Knights? Lol, that's a good one.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.