"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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This place is turning into Sl*tHate & MGOTW cesspool...

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... stop all this self hate and women hate and let's get back to self improvement and seduction. Feels like 90% of the guys here haven't even read the DJ Bible let alone attempted to practice it.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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What ive been saying for awhile now..

Easier to bîtch and blame then to take action apparently.
 

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Careful. You might get called an idiot beta loser.
 

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El Payaso said:
Careful. You might get called an idiot beta loser.

PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
Always feel like posters that make threads like this are the equivalent of that ****y beta
Priceless.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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I said the same thing, and went indepth about it around two weeks ago. Most of the people said it was trolling eventhough it wasn't. That's the thing so many people are becoming such puzzies that any time they read or hear an opinion they don't like it's automatically a troll.

I spent a descent amount of time writing that thread, fvck it. It's getting bumped.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=225385
 

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Honestly, I don't know why any guy who reads this forum and believes all of it wouldn't just forget about women all together and just use his hand.
 

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PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
Always feel like posters that make threads like this are the equivalent of that ****y beta male we all knew that finally got a girlfriend at 25 and now is up in everyone's face about it feeling superior lol.
The forums goals need to be re-instated from time to time. I learnt a lot from here through the stories of how to express individual masculinity. Hearing men being men.

Endless stories of "women are devil spawn" or "I'm so pitiful" just re-enforce a negative outlook and make newbies feel like "Yeah, I have found people just as depressed as me"

I'm not saying don't express your lows, I try to give my best advise to those guys just like I was also given in the past. But I am saying share your triumphs and let us learn from those too.
 

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MidnightCity said:
hell im tempted to start a thread and make an ongoing compendium of nothing but stories of guys getting truly shafted by women on a regular basis. that should really spice things up around here
I actually feel this should be a new forum section rather than a thread. Then merge 'Don Juan Tips' and 'Don Juan Discussion' as a place for seduction and personal development and have 'Don Juan Shafted' as a place for women problems.
 

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I see myself as a third party to this and will agree there are some “extremists” hovering around here lately

Do i blame them or dislike them for it ? ......no everyone deals with pain in their own ways for a guy to become such a strong MGTOW believer he must have been through some pretty horrifying ****e with women to get there

And i can relate to that because the harsh reality is that women are capable of incredible coldness there’s no sugar coating it if you take your eye off the ball a woman is easily capable of inflicting some serious emotional trauma on you

newbie’s need to understand this regardless if it encourages or discourages them from further studying the game

However in light of this i don’t like to conform to the idea that i will never find a female capable of truly loving me because i already know it can be done

There are some fvcking sh1t women to be had out there.....but in order for personal motivation and my game to progress i need to be able to believe that there are still SOME good ones out there

And when i find mine i’ll be satisfied knowing what ive gone through and experienced to get her


LondonTowers said:
I actually feel this should be a new forum section rather than a thread. Then merge 'Don Juan Tips' and 'Don Juan Discussion' as a place for seduction and personal development and have 'Don Juan Shafted' as a place for women problems.

I like this idea .......some of my best lightbulb moments come from reading peoples failures and reflecting back on my own
 
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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LondonTowers said:
... stop all this self hate and women hate and let's get back to self improvement and seduction. Feels like 90% of the guys here haven't even read the DJ Bible let alone attempted to practice it.
That's the whole point, they don't WANT to improve themselves. Dropping out of normal society crying about their failures is all that they can do. How many of those guys ever write an insipring thread? It's all about self hate and how women are all bad and how true successful men are all betas. Same old KJ type threads day in and day out.




Mauser96 said:
Exactly.

Let's talk about confidence.
Making money
Life choices
Paying debt off
Seduction
How come you agree with this? You agreed with the self and women hating posts. Seduction? MGTOW's call seduction beta bro.
 

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Over 70% of this forum is hopeless with women. Thus the women bashing.

I see some guys in great relationships with women. I would love to be in their shoes rather than be single my whole life. It's much more fulfilling to have a wife and children than be on POF your whole life. But that of course is if the woman is high quality. Some guys just get lucky and find the right one early.
 

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Mauser96 said:
I want young men, all men to learn how to be successful and happy.

I am not a woman hater. I do believe women will take advantage of you, if you let them. Some of them to the EXTREME.



Being sucessfull and happy means professionally, financially, and dating wise.

This SHOULD be a place where men come for advice of all kinds.


You say MGTOW's call seduction beta? OK. Then they can skip the seduction threads.

You CAN date without being taken advantage of, and stand up for yourself. A woman CAN add to your life, but not all will.


There are 1000 levels of MGTOW, and men will move among those levels over time.

The point everyone has forgotten is the goal is to IMPROVE yourself.

Everbody's goal should reflect happiness and success. Certain posters you agree with, would rather stay miserable attacking men for trying to be successful. I'm not saying that you are. I'm saying, that you agree with certain posters who are women haters. Anybody can take advantage of you if you let them. Family, children, friends, neighbors, co workers, strangers all can take advantage of you.

The MTGOW group are only preaching self hate and an anti women philosophy. If they are dropping out and going their own way, they can't be happy professionally and dating wise. Their own philosophy won't allow it.

Don't you see the problem here? They aren't skipping the seduction threads, they call men betas in those threads. They write anti seduction threads trying to discourage men from learning. You're agreeing with the posters who write those negative threads.

Are you a MGTOW member? The problem is, they don't WANT to improve themselves. They try to discourage anybody that wants to learn improvement, calling you a beta for wanting to learn how to be good at seduction. And you're agreeing with those posters who condemn any improvement.
 

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The slut hate is not what bothers me.

What bothers me is brothers fighting like little kids with personal attacks, over the Internet, and Im talking 40 year old dudes.

I think it wasnt like that back when I joined a couple of months ago.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I have full respect for women. I think every household in the world should own one.
 

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You're Putting too Much On it

LondonTowers said:
... stop all this self hate and women hate and let's get back to self improvement and seduction.
As far the self-hate, there's nothing we can do make a dude feel better about himself. If he doesn't want to listen to the advice and vent, that's on him.

LondonTowers said:
and women hate
Is it "women hate," or the truth. The fact of the matter is the majority of women are scandalous muthaf*ckas who lack integrity, morals, values, and are extremely mendacious.

Sl*thate, :confused: :confused:, Chill with the hyperbolic statements. There's a lot a things wrong with So Suave, but comparing this site to sluthate is simply absurd. For one thing, there's no constant ranting about the PUA community here, and more importantly, there's not a single thread on this site discussing, (let only disparaging,) another man's life.


LondonTowers said:
Feels like 90% of the guys here haven't even read the DJ Bible let alone attempted to practice it.
They haven't.
 
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guru1000 said:
I have full respect for women. I think every household in the world should own one.
:up:

If a man can't handle some harsh words over the Internet (especially about women).. then how can he handle REAL problems in life? :crackup:

Grown men cry when someone "bashes" women. The mark of a white knight toolbox.

Men who worship women are tools.
 

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BrainDamage92 said:
The slut hate is not what bothers me.

What bothers me is brothers fighting like little kids with personal attacks, over the Internet, and Im talking 40 year old dudes.

I think it wasnt like that back when I joined a couple of months ago.
You shoulda seen when PlayHer Man was here. Speaking of which, apparently Poon King thinks that guys who have girlfriends are White Knights? Lol, that's a good one.
 

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You shoulda seen when PlayHer Man was here. Speaking of which, apparently Poon King thinks that guys who have girlfriends are White Knights? Lol, that's a good one.
Having a girlfriend and worshiping women isn't the same thing.

If you have to make sh!t up to prove a point then you have no point. Try again. :crackup:
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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