LondonTowers
Don Juan
... stop all this self hate and women hate and let's get back to self improvement and seduction. Feels like 90% of the guys here haven't even read the DJ Bible let alone attempted to practice it.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
This place is turning into Sl*tHate & MGOTW cesspool...
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
PeasantPlayer
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Not all MGTOW is bad
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
EveryPostHere
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I said the same thing, and went indepth about it around two weeks ago. Most of the people said it was trolling eventhough it wasn't. That's the thing so many people are becoming such puzzies that any time they read or hear an opinion they don't like it's automatically a troll.
I spent a descent amount of time writing that thread, fvck it. It's getting bumped.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=225385
I spent a descent amount of time writing that thread, fvck it. It's getting bumped.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=225385
LondonTowers
Don Juan
The forums goals need to be re-instated from time to time. I learnt a lot from here through the stories of how to express individual masculinity. Hearing men being men.PairPlusRoyalFlush said:
Endless stories of "women are devil spawn" or "I'm so pitiful" just re-enforce a negative outlook and make newbies feel like "Yeah, I have found people just as depressed as me"
I'm not saying don't express your lows, I try to give my best advise to those guys just like I was also given in the past. But I am saying share your triumphs and let us learn from those too.
LondonTowers
Don Juan
I actually feel this should be a new forum section rather than a thread. Then merge 'Don Juan Tips' and 'Don Juan Discussion' as a place for seduction and personal development and have 'Don Juan Shafted' as a place for women problems.MidnightCity said:
Bingo-Player
Master Don Juan
I see myself as a third party to this and will agree there are some “extremists” hovering around here lately
Do i blame them or dislike them for it ? ......no everyone deals with pain in their own ways for a guy to become such a strong MGTOW believer he must have been through some pretty horrifying ****e with women to get there
And i can relate to that because the harsh reality is that women are capable of incredible coldness there’s no sugar coating it if you take your eye off the ball a woman is easily capable of inflicting some serious emotional trauma on you
newbie’s need to understand this regardless if it encourages or discourages them from further studying the game
However in light of this i don’t like to conform to the idea that i will never find a female capable of truly loving me because i already know it can be done
There are some fvcking sh1t women to be had out there.....but in order for personal motivation and my game to progress i need to be able to believe that there are still SOME good ones out there
And when i find mine i’ll be satisfied knowing what ive gone through and experienced to get her
I like this idea .......some of my best lightbulb moments come from reading peoples failures and reflecting back on my own
Do i blame them or dislike them for it ? ......no everyone deals with pain in their own ways for a guy to become such a strong MGTOW believer he must have been through some pretty horrifying ****e with women to get there
And i can relate to that because the harsh reality is that women are capable of incredible coldness there’s no sugar coating it if you take your eye off the ball a woman is easily capable of inflicting some serious emotional trauma on you
newbie’s need to understand this regardless if it encourages or discourages them from further studying the game
However in light of this i don’t like to conform to the idea that i will never find a female capable of truly loving me because i already know it can be done
There are some fvcking sh1t women to be had out there.....but in order for personal motivation and my game to progress i need to be able to believe that there are still SOME good ones out there
And when i find mine i’ll be satisfied knowing what ive gone through and experienced to get her
LondonTowers said:
I like this idea .......some of my best lightbulb moments come from reading peoples failures and reflecting back on my own
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
That's the whole point, they don't WANT to improve themselves. Dropping out of normal society crying about their failures is all that they can do. How many of those guys ever write an insipring thread? It's all about self hate and how women are all bad and how true successful men are all betas. Same old KJ type threads day in and day out.LondonTowers said:
How come you agree with this? You agreed with the self and women hating posts. Seduction? MGTOW's call seduction beta bro.Mauser96 said:
Over 70% of this forum is hopeless with women. Thus the women bashing.
I see some guys in great relationships with women. I would love to be in their shoes rather than be single my whole life. It's much more fulfilling to have a wife and children than be on POF your whole life. But that of course is if the woman is high quality. Some guys just get lucky and find the right one early.
I see some guys in great relationships with women. I would love to be in their shoes rather than be single my whole life. It's much more fulfilling to have a wife and children than be on POF your whole life. But that of course is if the woman is high quality. Some guys just get lucky and find the right one early.
Mauser96 said:
Everbody's goal should reflect happiness and success. Certain posters you agree with, would rather stay miserable attacking men for trying to be successful. I'm not saying that you are. I'm saying, that you agree with certain posters who are women haters. Anybody can take advantage of you if you let them. Family, children, friends, neighbors, co workers, strangers all can take advantage of you.
The MTGOW group are only preaching self hate and an anti women philosophy. If they are dropping out and going their own way, they can't be happy professionally and dating wise. Their own philosophy won't allow it.
Don't you see the problem here? They aren't skipping the seduction threads, they call men betas in those threads. They write anti seduction threads trying to discourage men from learning. You're agreeing with the posters who write those negative threads.
Are you a MGTOW member? The problem is, they don't WANT to improve themselves. They try to discourage anybody that wants to learn improvement, calling you a beta for wanting to learn how to be good at seduction. And you're agreeing with those posters who condemn any improvement.
BrainDamage92
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The slut hate is not what bothers me.
What bothers me is brothers fighting like little kids with personal attacks, over the Internet, and Im talking 40 year old dudes.
I think it wasnt like that back when I joined a couple of months ago.
What bothers me is brothers fighting like little kids with personal attacks, over the Internet, and Im talking 40 year old dudes.
I think it wasnt like that back when I joined a couple of months ago.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Maximus Rex
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You're Putting too Much On it
Sl*thate,
, Chill with the hyperbolic statements. There's a lot a things wrong with So Suave, but comparing this site to sluthate is simply absurd. For one thing, there's no constant ranting about the PUA community here, and more importantly, there's not a single thread on this site discussing, (let only disparaging,) another man's life.
As far the self-hate, there's nothing we can do make a dude feel better about himself. If he doesn't want to listen to the advice and vent, that's on him.LondonTowers said:
Is it "women hate," or the truth. The fact of the matter is the majority of women are scandalous muthaf*ckas who lack integrity, morals, values, and are extremely mendacious.LondonTowers said:
Sl*thate,
, Chill with the hyperbolic statements. There's a lot a things wrong with So Suave, but comparing this site to sluthate is simply absurd. For one thing, there's no constant ranting about the PUA community here, and more importantly, there's not a single thread on this site discussing, (let only disparaging,) another man's life.They haven't.LondonTowers said:
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guru1000 said:
If a man can't handle some harsh words over the Internet (especially about women).. then how can he handle REAL problems in life? :crackup:
Grown men cry when someone "bashes" women. The mark of a white knight toolbox.
Men who worship women are tools.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.