The attention provided by simping has brought down birth rates…

[Ricky]

My hypothesis which will be difficult to prove is that women desire attention more than sex and as a consequence the over saturated market of simps is providing that attention for women without the corresponding increase in sexual frequency that would have occurred in the days before online simping was available to provide said attention.

Now follow me on this concept. Generally women now are inundated with attention online and this has caused a dysfunctional dating scene that results in less committed relationships which directly impacts pregnancy relates

of course this is a multifactorial issue but simps are partially to blame and honestly in my opinion they are creating a bit of a traffic jam in the social landscape in general

thoughts?

 

[BPH]

This doesn't need to be a scientific deep dive, because it's obvious why this is:

• Social media globalizes the sexual marketplace
• Lonely men subsidize these women's lives for a parasocial relationship (Twitch, OnlyFans, Instagram)
• Even average women now massively outearn most men as a result
• Most women are naturally hypergamous (they want their men to be better off than they are), and shoot for the top 10% of men
• The top 10% of men have options, and often do not settle down (famous actors, successful musicians, etc)

The result is that attractive women want the best guy they can get...and those guys won't become exclusive with those women...and the other 90% of men can't rise to the elevated standards these women now have. Meaning nobody is happy.

Though I wouldn't necessarily say that's a bad thing...the world population doubled from 4b to currently over 8b in something like less than 50 years. That is not a sustainable thing.

 

[zekko]

Though I wouldn't necessarily say that's a bad thing...the world population doubled from 4b to currently over 8b in something like less than 50 years. That is not a sustainable thing.

On the other hand, the low birth rate not replacing the population can create all sorts of problems.

Anyway, I'm not surprised women prefer attention to sex - it's the dopamine hit without the work or investment.

 

[Bigpapa]

My hypothesis which will be difficult to prove is that women desire attention more than sex and as a consequence the over saturated market of simps is providing that attention for women without the corresponding increase in sexual frequency that would have occurred in the days before online simping was available to provide said attention.

Now follow me on this concept. Generally women now are inundated with attention online and this has caused a dysfunctional dating scene that results in less committed relationships which directly impacts pregnancy relates

of course this is a multifactorial issue but simps are partially to blame and honestly in my opinion they are creating a bit of a traffic jam in the social landscape in general

thoughts?

yeah, I think it is somehow a well known thing that women prefer the attention more than the sex

and mainly uses sex as a way to get attention from men that do not give them attention otherwise

that it is why for example on seduction forums preaches that attention should be given when women are compliant as a reward and removed if they are not compliant

 

[Ricky]

Yes i also think as a woman the attention provides the validation without the risk of pregnancy

i really love an adore women which is my downfall as they can be my kryptonite

 

[CornbreadFed]

As a guy who just had a kid, this is completely wrong. Do you have any fvcking children, OP? Unless you need your kids working your subsistence farm, children are a net negative for economics and productivity. They're expensive and drain away all of your time and energy. Birth rates are down because having a child in a modern economy is basically volunteering to cut off your hands.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

As a guy who just had a kid, this is completely wrong. Do you have any fvcking children, OP? Unless you need your kids working your subsistence farm, children are a net negative for economics and productivity. They're expensive and drain away all of your time and energy. Birth rates are down because having a child in a modern economy is basically volunteering to cut off your hands.

A child of the corn huh

 

[Plinco]

I think this is part of it. Demographic decline (less fertile women over time) and institutional access to resources that bypass your average man are also contributing factors.

 

[Bigpapa]

Birth rates are down because having a child in a modern economy is basically volunteering to cut off your hands.

Quite sure that anywhere in the world, as long it is a developed country and outside of the big cities, you can easily live from the minimum salary

sure, you will not have the new iPhone, really nice apartment, new car, new branded clothing, travel, etc

but you can easily live from the minimum salary

this economic theory that children are expensive and stuff like that, mainly is something that is parroted by people whom do not have premium income but want to live the premium life. Basically punching way above their income lifestyle wise

 

[CornbreadFed]

this economic theory that children are expensive and stuff like that, mainly is something that is parroted by people whom do not have premium income but want to live the premium life. Basically punching way above their income lifestyle wise

Can a minimum salary afford 2k a month on daycare alone? What about this excellent health insurance provided by the meth capital McDonalds in rural America unless you have 15k plus in cash laying around. In addition, the health systems in these low cost areas are generally dog shvt too because of logistics and any doctor worth a shvt would rather live somewhere else so good luck Chuck.

 

[Ricky]

As a guy who just had a kid, this is completely wrong. Do you have any fvcking children, OP? Unless you need your kids working your subsistence farm, children are a net negative for economics and productivity. They're expensive and drain away all of your time and energy. Birth rates are down because having a child in a modern economy is basically volunteering to cut off your hands.

i get that sentiment. I have one child and she is probably the only thing keeping me here in the United States for now

 

[Clockwerk50]

Birth rates plunged in the 60s when the contraceptive pill was introduced alongside rising levels of both male and female education. As countries became wealthier and these become more widely available, birth rates decreased. Immigration has been one of the main things offsetting this and allowing populations to continue growing.

Fertility declined the second it became a choice, long before online simping was even a thing.

Total fertility rate - Wikipedia

 

[Bigpapa]

Can a minimum salary afford 2k a month on daycare alone? What about this excellent health insurance provided by the meth capital McDonalds in rural America unless you have 15k plus in cash laying around. In addition, the health systems in these low cost areas are generally dog shvt too because of logistics and any doctor worth a shvt would rather live somewhere else so good luck Chuck.

Healthcare is decent in low cost areas, you can not do complicated stuff there, but for day to day stuff is ok

complicated stuff occur rarely, so for most of what you need you should be ok

quite sure that daycare is way cheaper in those areas as well

 

[CornbreadFed]

Healthcare is decent in low cost areas, you can not do complicated stuff there, but for day to day stuff is ok

complicated stuff occur rarely, so for most of what you need you should be ok

quite sure that daycare is way cheaper in those areas as well

Can you specify a low cost area then? What is a good example?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

The only verifiable things that could explain this are:

1) Less sex is being had
2) The fertility rate is declining, so it takes more sex to produce the same outcomes

We know both of these to be true, and 2 actually amplifies the effects of 1, since now we already aren't having enough sex to maintain the birth rate, but on top of that, the sex being had is more inneficient in producing children.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Increasing birth rates(assuming, for the sake this convo, that in and of itself is desirable)isn't complicated... More folks will have to spend more time mating, and less hate watching Hasan Piker's latest yammering over on YT yet again

Liklihood of many actually doing so is currently more bleak than chances of being able to stroll through downtown Shreveport, WITHOUT the soles of both feet getting filled with used syringes

 

[Solomon]

My hypothesis which will be difficult to prove is that women desire attention more than sex and as a consequence the over saturated market of simps is providing that attention for women without the corresponding increase in sexual frequency that would have occurred in the days before online simping was available to provide said attention.

Now follow me on this concept. Generally women now are inundated with attention online and this has caused a dysfunctional dating scene that results in less committed relationships which directly impacts pregnancy relates

of course this is a multifactorial issue but simps are partially to blame and honestly in my opinion they are creating a bit of a traffic jam in the social landscape in general

thoughts?

I think it’s more complicated than simply saying women want attention more than sex, although attention is definitely part of the equation.

Women’s standards have risen, especially over the last decade, and some of that is probably generational. A lot of Millennial and Gen Z women watched what their mothers and grandmothers went through and decided they don’t want the same relationship dynamics.

A lot of women still want marriage and children. They just don’t necessarily want them with men who subscribe heavily to incel, blackpill, or even certain red-pill ideas about relationships for starters.

You also hear some men romanticize the 1950s, when one income could supposedly support a house, a car, children, and a stay-at-home wife. Economically, that model is much harder for the average person to reproduce today.

At the same time, having a job, transportation, and your own stable living situation is increasingly viewed as the baseline rather than something that automatically makes a man desirable. And among younger men, you have a meaningful number who are underemployed, unemployed, financially struggling, or still living with family.

Then you add attraction, personality, confidence, social skills, humor, emotional stability, and compatibility.

That creates a much larger filtering process.

So yes, online simping and unlimited attention probably contribute to the problem by creating a kind of traffic jam in the dating market. But I don’t think simps alone explain declining relationships or sexual frequency. They’re one piece of a much bigger economic, cultural, and technological shift.

 

[The Duke]

My hypothesis which will be difficult to prove is that women desire attention more than sex and as a consequence the over saturated market of simps is providing that attention for women without the corresponding increase in sexual frequency that would have occurred in the days before online simping was available to provide said attention.

Now follow me on this concept. Generally women now are inundated with attention online and this has caused a dysfunctional dating scene that results in less committed relationships which directly impacts pregnancy relates

of course this is a multifactorial issue but simps are partially to blame and honestly in my opinion they are creating a bit of a traffic jam in the social landscape in general

thoughts?

I've said the same things for years. The currency that is being traded between man and woman in the singles scene is sex for attention and men don't help their cause when they provide attention for free on social media. Studies have shown women spend more time online and are more active than men. Its no surprise why. Why go out and deal with guys she doesn't want when she can get her needs met online and control who interacts with her. Who posts more pictures of themselves and changes their profile picture more often? It's all for attention.

The dopamine hit that a woman gets from attention isn't as strong and instantaneous as what a male gets from sex, but its provides a level buzz that can last for hours.

My best advice to guys that don't get it is to date or even become close friends with a very attractive woman. Observe the attention she gets from the opposite sex and even other females. Observe her reaction.