"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Suggestion: Long term relationship forum?
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
djSlvt
Banned
NONE.
Because if you're happily married you won't be here. SS is about good lovers, not good husbands. Mothers raise good husbands.
Aside from that point, if you have basic skill, you should be able to keep a woman satisfied for a long time, IMO.
djSlvt
Banned
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
So many times guys are flamed for looking toward finding a quality woman as opposed to consuming mass quantities of poonani so they stay in the shadows and lurk. It's a catch 22 situation.
Microphone Fiend
Master Don Juan
Many of the DJ principles apply to LTRs - improve yourself and develop a solid foundation as a man, maintain your pride and confidence and so on. But many of the PUA advice absolutely does not work in LTRs! You cannot be playing mind games and using gimmicks to maintain a relationship.
Despite what the outspoken majority here preach, I believe there are a lot of guys who would ideally prefer a solid relationship, but they just don't know how to keep a woman for the long term. Even the PUA legend Mystery hasn't mastered that! And didn't Neil Strauss' fiance cheat on him?
LTRs are a whole different game, but don't expect a new forum any time soon (or ever!).
I just think there should be some type of community where LTR's are focused upon, and where guys who are seeing recurring problems in their LTR can bring it up and discuss them. As Francisco said, a problem with posting LTR help here in the ss forum is that the mindset is completely different, and little constructive criticism or advice might come out of that.
penkitten
Master Don Juan
example: LTR motivation
LTR frustration
LTR happiness
LTR whatever you can think of
that way we know which ones are about the ltr's before we even click on the thread.
what do you think?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Giovanni Casanova
Master Don Juan
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I'm happily married and I'm here, but I get what you're saying. I'm also not here for advice, either.djSlvt said:
After a while casual sex feels empty and juggling different women is tiring.
personally, the occasional meanignless lay is okay, but i'm always looking for that girl i canr eally connect with
luckily i've already found that, and am in a LTR
and wouldn't mind a place to discuss the trials and tribulations that go with it
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
MacAvoy
Banned
Once your over 25, you can post in the MM forum where you'll get quality LTR advice, hence declaring the need for a LTR forum obsolete.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.