"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Suggestion: Long term relationship forum?
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
djSlvt
Banned
NONE.
Because if you're happily married you won't be here. SS is about good lovers, not good husbands. Mothers raise good husbands.
Aside from that point, if you have basic skill, you should be able to keep a woman satisfied for a long time, IMO.
djSlvt
Banned
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
So many times guys are flamed for looking toward finding a quality woman as opposed to consuming mass quantities of poonani so they stay in the shadows and lurk. It's a catch 22 situation.
Microphone Fiend
Master Don Juan
Many of the DJ principles apply to LTRs - improve yourself and develop a solid foundation as a man, maintain your pride and confidence and so on. But many of the PUA advice absolutely does not work in LTRs! You cannot be playing mind games and using gimmicks to maintain a relationship.
Despite what the outspoken majority here preach, I believe there are a lot of guys who would ideally prefer a solid relationship, but they just don't know how to keep a woman for the long term. Even the PUA legend Mystery hasn't mastered that! And didn't Neil Strauss' fiance cheat on him?
LTRs are a whole different game, but don't expect a new forum any time soon (or ever!).
I just think there should be some type of community where LTR's are focused upon, and where guys who are seeing recurring problems in their LTR can bring it up and discuss them. As Francisco said, a problem with posting LTR help here in the ss forum is that the mindset is completely different, and little constructive criticism or advice might come out of that.
penkitten
Master Don Juan
example: LTR motivation
LTR frustration
LTR happiness
LTR whatever you can think of
that way we know which ones are about the ltr's before we even click on the thread.
what do you think?
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Giovanni Casanova
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I'm happily married and I'm here, but I get what you're saying. I'm also not here for advice, either.djSlvt said:
After a while casual sex feels empty and juggling different women is tiring.
personally, the occasional meanignless lay is okay, but i'm always looking for that girl i canr eally connect with
luckily i've already found that, and am in a LTR
and wouldn't mind a place to discuss the trials and tribulations that go with it
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
MacAvoy
Banned
Once your over 25, you can post in the MM forum where you'll get quality LTR advice, hence declaring the need for a LTR forum obsolete.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.