"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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Stripper Question?

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Hi Guys,

Very new to this site, been lurking for many months and appreciate all the great advice on here.

I recently met a stripper and have had a ton of fun over the last few weeks with her - she's been my goto piece when main/other options (civilian life) are not around or frankly I just want to escape into the fantasy. It has been strictly professional as I find many girls (not all) tend to be Cluster Bs and I don't want to get to emotional around women like that.

That being said, I recently had a following out as I became demanding/needy over a text convo with her after she last minute told me she was sick, hours before a huge sporting event (I spent a ton on those tickets) - looking back it was really out of character of me as we've been pretty chill and open about our lifestyles (we both have open relationships)

I shot her one note apologizing for the rant - didn't get a response.

Not sure if there is anything else I can do, other then to do nothing and give it space?

I already look weak and chasing her is not an option - not how I roll - but I did enjoy keeping things in the club and would like to continue doing that.

Thoughts are welcome! Thanks in advance
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I think I would just wait her out. I wouldn't have apologized but the damage is done. If she doesn't contact you in say a month you might try to re-initiate contact. You really don't have anything to lose. What about contact with her at the strip club? Do you see her regularly?
 

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I think I would just wait her out. I wouldn't have apologized but the damage is done. If she doesn't contact you in say a month you might try to re-initiate contact. You really don't have anything to lose. What about contact with her at the strip club? Do you see her regularly?
I thought about the apology thing - and as much as I enjoy playing the game I'm still human. I was a **** and owned up to it

I would like to see her at the club ONLY but I lieu of the last lack of response - I don't want to text her to meet her there or worse, just show up. And yes we did see each other frequently - was a regular client.


Thoughts?
 

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I thought about the apology thing - and as much as I enjoy playing the game I'm still human. I was a **** and owned up to it

I would like to see her at the club ONLY but I lieu of the last lack of response - I don't want to text her to meet her there or worse, just show up. And yes we did see each other frequently - was a regular client.


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I would make myself scarce. Maybe a month or so no contact whatsoever. If she dosen't reach out to you after that time I would either text her or drop in at the club. You have nothing to lose and are investing very little. If that dosen't work then I would ghost her. The good thing about this is that there is no shortage of stippers. Always more to be had.
 

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I would make myself scarce. Maybe a month or so no contact whatsoever. If she dosen't reach out to you after that time I would either text her or drop in at the club. You have nothing to lose and are investing very little. If that dosen't work then I would ghost her. The good thing about this is that there is no shortage of stippers. Always more to be had.
Good call. That will be the plan.

I think the thing that bothers me is I messed up a good thing here. Hate the feeling of losing my power.

Since I am new here, can you tell me what ghosting is?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Good call. That will be the plan.

I think the thing that bothers me is I messed up a good thing here. Hate the feeling of losing my power.

Since I am new here, can you tell me what ghosting is?
Sure. It's not contacting a person unless they contact you. They have to initiate contact with you and then you can answer. If you were full no contact you would just ignore everything.
 

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Sure. It's not contacting a person unless they contact you. They have to initiate contact with you and then you can answer. If you were full no contact you would just ignore everything.
Got it, thank you brother
 

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i never understood guys going for strippers/club dancers
it is one step below prostitution
enjoy
 

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Have you had sex with her? If the answer is no, I don't see what you are worried about.

And I don't get into strippers, but honestly, if I could make one hate me first, that would make it fun. Hey look, b!tch, it's that guy you can't stand. Here's a dollar. Now show me your pvssy, wh0re.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Have you had sex with her? If the answer is no, I don't see what you are worried about.

And I don't get into strippers, but honestly, if I could make one hate me first, that would make it fun. Hey look, b!tch, it's that guy you can't stand. Here's a dollar. Now show me your pvssy, wh0re.
LOL

No sex, 3rd base rounding home.

It's more of a power thing, I liked the feeling of being I control - which I botched.

This one isn't your typical ho stripper - she has a strong self respect game - she wouldn't tolerate the trash talk
 

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Maybe she's a nice person; maybe she's a great human being. I'm sure she is very pretty. But don't bullsh!t yourself. She's a wh0re. She'll do whatever you want if you have enough money.

You weren't in control; she was. She made you feel like you were. That's the difference between an expensive hooker and a cheap one. You're paying for her ability to make you forget she's a working girl.
 

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Maybe she's a nice person; maybe she's a great human being. I'm sure she is very pretty. But don't bullsh!t yourself. She's a wh0re. She'll do whatever you want if you have enough money.

You weren't in control; she was. She made you feel like you were. That's the difference between an expensive hooker and a cheap one. You're paying for her ability to make you forget she's a working girl.
You and Dustmuffin have some great point.

Now im torn - all I want is to get back in the VIP and not give AF
 

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Let me elaborate on one point.

My seduction game was strong, I left her in the club with a few love marks and vice versa - she was a rough one :)

We played beyond the rules.
 

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Unsure why you spend any significant money on a chick you are not banging but to each his own I guess
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Let me elaborate on one point.

My seduction game was strong, I left her in the club with a few love marks and vice versa - she was a rough one :)

We played beyond the rules.
No it wasn't. You spent a lot of money and didn't Fvck her. Trust me she is fvcking other dudes who aren't spending a dime on her.
 

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Why are you going after a LTR with a stripper? I'm confused. You don't buy a f*ck buddy expensive tickets... she's not even a f*ck buddy either, you haven't had s3x with her
 

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Why are you going after a LTR with a stripper? I'm confused. You don't buy a f*ck buddy expensive tickets... she's not even a f*ck buddy either, you haven't had s3x with her
What's an LTR?

Didn't see the reason on spending money on an established f*ck buddy, she's a new target and wanted to flex my capital around a bit.

I have no interest in this girl beyond a physical/professional level - as mentioned im just pissed that I came across as weak as I was doing pretty well to get what I needed
 

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No it wasn't. You spent a lot of money and didn't Fvck her. Trust me she is fvcking other dudes who aren't spending a dime on her.
Dont care at all what she does with other guys, as mentioned im in open relationships - more curious on how to reapproach/respond after coming across as weak.

- do nothing?
- don't care?
- keep doing what I was doing before?
Etc

Question is more about regaining power - stripper part is secondary
 

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Power is to the person who takes the money.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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