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Should you be gawking at them giving them all your attention when you got nothing good going on for yourself in life?
Absolutely not. Stormrider may be cold and that's his style but there should always be some sense of subtlety with looking. As he mentioned, women know and have a kind of psychic ability to tell if you are slobbering all over them when you look at them or not.
Personally, I only look out my peripherial vision and not make things obvious. My rule is only look at them directly and hold eye contact if you are planning to approach them. Otherwise I don't really see a point in validating them. There maybe times when you can also tell if they are submissive with eye contact too but that is more of a game if you don't do anything with it. My $.02
 

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This seems like a bit of a defeatist attitude. Why assume that you can't have them and that they'll never be interested in you? If you're scared to even look at women, how are you going to notice women that you're interested in and that you want to approach? It's natural to look at women that you find attractive and I don't think any man should be ashamed of that. Is James Bond going around looking at the floor to avoid temptation?
 

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I cringed at the use of "make love." Nobody says that lol.

But in all seriousness, the point he is trying to make is at least arguable. He's essentially preaching an extreme form of "nofap" for your eyes. If you aren't getting any, don't use her as free porn.

Realistically, if there are attractive women around, you will always notice, even if it just via your peripheral vision. But not gawking at them (or even attempting to check them out) unless you plan to approach doesn't sound like a bad idea. Even the PUAs warned about looking at a chick too many times (or too long) before approaching because it can creep her out.

Maybe this could turn into some hardcore "ignoring-whoring" or "ignore game" if done before you approach.

I think there may be some potential here.
You been around long enough to realize and know that they will look at YOU? Why not just view people who are receptive to you, let her look first, otherwise mind your business.
 

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This seems like a bit of a defeatist attitude. Why assume that you can't have them and that they'll never be interested in you? If you're scared to even look at women, how are you going to notice women that you're interested in and that you want to approach? It's natural to look at women that you find attractive and I don't think any man should be ashamed of that. Is James Bond going around looking at the floor to avoid temptation?
I dint think OP meant bad body language.
Dont look at the floor.Hes not talking bad body language he means your vibe is more of a laid back one of not gawking at her doing what 97% of the rest of the males do
 

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I watched this video the other day, this guy says that you should not look at women when you're out. His rationale is that when you see an attractive woman in her short shorts or whatever, you get a dopamine hit because it pleases you. But then this dopamine hit is followed by a depressing feeling of disappointment, because she is just a stranger and you're not going to be banging her. This supposedly trains the mind that "What you want, you can't have". He also compares this phenomenon with porn.

I thought I would throw this idea out there to see what people thought of it. I suppose there's a glimmer of truth in there, but personally it sounds like nonsense to me. I enjoy seeing attractive women when I am out and about, why should I not look at what I enjoy? Should I not look at the trees on a beautiful day just because I'm not going to be banging them? Besides, if you never looked at a girl, you would never meet a girl, you would never talk to a girl, etc. etc. This also seems to contradict the idea of a confident male making eye contact with everyone he sees.

This video is by Alexander Grace, for some reason he keeps popping up on my YouTube reccommendations. You don't have to watch it, but I'll include it if you're curious.

I like Alexander Grace. His theories are always backed by scientific or empirical evidence. I watched the video you linked when he released it. And I totally agree with him. Why? Because it makes sense. He's talking about that quick eye snack, when you look at a barely dressed woman to get that little tingly feeling in your balls. Furthermore it's about not engaging on the sight you're seeing. Why look if you don't want to make a move? You see where I'm going?

Dopamine crashes are a real thing. If you go on Instagram or TikTok to "relax" and get that quick dopamine fix and do so on a regular basis, you will one day need more than you did before. This is a downward spiral - and an exponential one at that.
 

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I dint think OP meant bad body language.
Dont look at the floor.Hes not talking bad body language he means your vibe is more of a laid back one of not gawking at her doing what 97% of the rest of the males do
Yes, well I agree that you shouldn't gawk at them as if you were a hungry dog outside a kebab shop. But I don't think it's healthy to try to repress your own desires and be ashamed of looking at them, either. I find the best way is to accept that you enjoy looking, but be discreet.
 

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Yes, well I agree that you shouldn't gawk at them as if you were a hungry dog outside a kebab shop. But I don't think it's healthy to try to repress your own desires and be ashamed of looking at them, either. I find the best way is to accept that you enjoy looking, but be discreet.
Get a quick glance say something if you like and get on with your day.
 

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You been around long enough to realize and know that they will look at YOU? Why not just view people who are receptive to you, let her look first, otherwise mind your business.
That’s reasonable. You might well notice in your peripheral vision that she is looking; then looking her way is fine.
 

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No need to look. Put yourself in her vicinity and if she is interested in you she will make it easy for you to open her or she just may open you.
 

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you are cheating on your gf by doing this.
If you think I'm cheating on my girlfriend by noticing that other women are attractive, I guess that's one perspective. But let me tell you this. Just because I have a girlfriend doesn't mean I think she's the only attractive woman on the planet, there are a lot of attractive women in the world, a lot.

if that is modern redpill then it sounds more indistinguishable to the blackpill which also says the same thing.
Redpill has definitely moved toward blackpill in the last several years.

You might well notice in your peripheral vision that she is looking; then looking her way is fine.
I guess the next step is stop seeing girls in your peripheral vision.
Girls look at guys all the time. Doesn't mean they intend to seduce them necessarily.

No need to look. Put yourself in her vicinity and if she is interested in you she will make it easy for you to open her or she just may open you.
How can you tell you're interested in her in the first place if you don't look at her?
 

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How can you tell you're interested in her in the first place if you don't look at her?
Of course you check her out but. Periphery. Im refering to the creepy stares not the genuine being friendly and sociable.
 

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Bad idea. Splinters. Don't ask.

Seriously, though....if you're an ogler, then, yeah, you might wanna give up the hobby. Otherwise, he's nuts.
Shepays is a tree......hugger.
 

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I find 80 % of the hot young chicks give off princess vibe. No interest in feeding the monster so I look at them as I would blocks of cheese. Also a lot of them play that Chad bait game where they dress provocatively and then give u the death stare if u look. Occasionally one passes where she s so hot I can't help looking. That's one in a 1000. Maybe it's me. Or maybe I just don't have a thing for hair extensions, tatts, fish lips and Botox pillow face.
 

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I did not just look in the past but I would take my smartphone out.. I remember one lady I did this to all of a sudden was friendly and nice with me. When I found out she was married I deleted the photos and never took another pic since then. Did not blatantly take photos infront of a hot girl and then introduce myself yet. Too risky of an approach strategy.
 

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Some girls really are impossible to ignore. I worked in a supermarket bakery for eight years (never again!) and one day this glowing blonde MILF passes through the store with the giant headphones, mouthing lyrics and practically dancing. Chick didn't give a rat's ass.

I approached her dead ahead and mouthed "I love you" several times, as the cans came off her head I was still mouthing it. We had a good laugh and hit it off.

She was married with a couple of sons, so that was that. But her demeanor that day screamed "open me!"
 

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This is true. Another thing I've experienced in my social circles was the top tier women giving me a look of disapproval because I refused to give them attention. This is like a highly subtle sh1t test/frame grab from women. But as soon as they would give me that look, I would have a completely emotionally unreactive look on my face.

And as soon as they sense my internal dominance and emotional unreactiveness, they think to themselves "Wait a minute, this guy is probably already fvcking my friends. He doesn't give a damn about anything. He can do whatever he wants." My dominance in the face of her attempt to disqualify me completely turns her submissive. And then she starts flirting with me because she realizes sh1t testing me is futile.

Once again, this is how subtle the game is. It is won/loss by one look.

One look is all it takes. But of course, my look/presence comes from being validated by all her friends + internal validation. I'm completely entitled. it's not a technique I'm using to diffuse her sh1t testing.
Act right or she gets left?
 

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Act right or she gets left?
It all depends on the guy's level of abundance. Or frame.

There have been times when I've disqualified women for looking at me the wrong way. Like we accidentally make eye contact and she has a look like something stinks and I ignore her forever no matter how much she tries to make it up to me. My option A is hotter than her. So I have no need for a woman who can't even make proper eye contact. I'm not in 5th grade anymore.

But then there are times that the awkward eye contact chick IS the hottest in the social circle. So I reluctantly make an exception. I tell myself "Alright even though this chick looked at me weird, I'll give her another chance IF she makes an effort to flirt with me."

The key to all of this is that I"M THE ONE giving her a second chance. That's how I frame it. It's the frame that allows her to believe that my attention is a reward for her - if she makes an effort to give me value. And the only value I accept is making my penis happy.

If I had no standards, if I didn't frame myself as the validator - in other words, if I was frameless, she wouldn't be able to feel like I'm giving her another chance. She would actually view me as desperate and have no standards.

It's all a frame game. Which is hard to explain in words.

If I have zero standards of female behavior, her thought process would be "This guy is a loser. I just gave him awkward eye contact and he's still gawking at me.

If I have standards, her thought process would be "This is my second to prove myself" and her behavior would correct itself.

And women can always tell if you have standards or not just by looking at your presence, so don't even try to fake it.

This is called molding women with your frame. As a guy, you are always molding women. You are either molding them to believe you are a loser with no standards and boundaries, or molding women to believe you are a man of standards and she must meet them in order to keep your interest.

This is how a pimp frames himself as a reward. He molds women into believing they have to earn his approval.

Women, by nature, are submissive and with the right guy, can get pimped out, turned out, and completely dominated.
 
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