blueangel83
Senior Don Juan
DonJuanMonk - I don't think you'd be here if not for a woman.
I'll be back later.
I'll be back later.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
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- Thread starter B-Lemond
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
i mean think about it gurl.....i could suduce u in so many ways u would go crazy.....yup thats rite, keep telling yourself you wouldnt let it happen...ok pm me your number and find out! o and im also 16, witch we dont know how you know bluelemond is 16 but ok....
I am just waiting for 'Keeper's' comeback...Originally posted by ~ªêQµïTª$~
ROFLOL!:crackup:
no offence Keeper, but that was a good one
Laterz...
It would probably be something like...
"oh, Yeah... Bradshaw... if you were in a woodshop you would be a Bad Saw. Yeah, that's it guys! Bradshaw the Bad Saw. he he he. Look at him. he he he. He can't 'cut' me... he he he... am I right guys??"
p.s. ...
owned
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
I'm seeing one major flaw in most people's arguments here.
People and society are not mathematics. Every individual is different. I agree that vast swathes of society can be classed and categorised and dealt with, and I agree that there are general rules and modes of thought that can be applied all of the time to most of the people.
There are still some differences from person (male or female) to person, and there are some individuals that are very different and do not conform.
Most people here are way too fond of laying down immutable laws. All women like this. All men should possess that. The way to respond to this is with that. Thinking so rigidly is very effective and economic, but I can't help thinking advice that promotes flexibility also has a place here.
Wait til you meet the girl that really takes your fancy because she's so unique. Chances are she's unique because her life has led her to behave differently. What are you playas who think you know everything about women going to do then? Nothing. You'll fail, and you'll only ever deal with the girls that conform to your expectations, and you'll perpetuate your own circle of limited experience. Aren't you in this to increase experience, rather than limit it?
People and society are not mathematics. Every individual is different. I agree that vast swathes of society can be classed and categorised and dealt with, and I agree that there are general rules and modes of thought that can be applied all of the time to most of the people.
There are still some differences from person (male or female) to person, and there are some individuals that are very different and do not conform.
Most people here are way too fond of laying down immutable laws. All women like this. All men should possess that. The way to respond to this is with that. Thinking so rigidly is very effective and economic, but I can't help thinking advice that promotes flexibility also has a place here.
Wait til you meet the girl that really takes your fancy because she's so unique. Chances are she's unique because her life has led her to behave differently. What are you playas who think you know everything about women going to do then? Nothing. You'll fail, and you'll only ever deal with the girls that conform to your expectations, and you'll perpetuate your own circle of limited experience. Aren't you in this to increase experience, rather than limit it?
diablo
Master Don Juan
Funny thing is, if this site was invite-only none of you would be here. Almost everybody found this site on their own...
MindOverMatter
Master Don Juan
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I'm gonna post a few thoughts here, and after that I'm out of this circlejerk flame thread:
1.) I don't buy it for a second that you have been here for 2 years (blueangel). in this thread, you haven't displayed any willpower when it came to avoiding arguments with people who disagreed with you, and I seriously doubt that you would have kept quiet for 2 years. It's very obvious that you want people to be convinced you have been here for a long time, and are not just some loud obnoxious newcomer.
2.) You need to come back down to Earth. There are many members who don't come here for advice on women and instead just come here to talk to peers. And by peers, I mean like-minded individuals with similar goals. Now there aren't many guys like this unfortunately, there's about 10-15. You can tell who they are based on the evidence they post that what they preach has worked for them.
Which brings me to my next point:
3.) Just because you claim to be a girl does not make your advice credible. There is a reason guys learn the game from other guys, and not from you. Girls in general have an egocentric view of the world. I don't think it's a bad thing, but it does get in the way of learning.
By that I mean that everything you teach a guy comes from what you know would get YOU (or one of your girlfriends) interested in a man, and you assume that this applies to ALL women. You basically represent a very small sample of the female gender, but are trying to represent its whole population. I hate to break it to you, but you don't represent all women. Just like if I came to a female populated forum, I wouldn't represent all men. I'd represent myself, and that's it.
Now, what you need to realize is that when it comes to dealing with different female personalities, men prefer to learn from guys who have dealt with them. Generally speaking, guys who have been in the game for a long while and have dated a lot, know a variety of female personalities, and know what works, and what doesn't. You on the other hand, only have your perspective, and maybe that of your girlfriends. While that may be an interesting perspective, it doesn't mean people will listen to you when you claim you represent every woman.
When it comes down to it, people can click on my signature and see that what I preach has worked for me. People can look at JC's, Diablo's, and P_S' photos and see that the advice they give comes from experiance and success. You on the other hand are anonymous and your advice means little. Which brings me to....
4.) .....my next point. Why should anyone listen to you over another poster here? First of all, there is a large chance you're actually a guy, because most female posters that have been coming here for years don't try so hard to bring up the fact they're female in every one of their posts. They're being themselves.
So that's one reason for me not to take anything you say seriously. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy discussing game here with women, but only after I'm convinced about who they are.
Secondly, even if you are a girl, no one here has any way of telling whether your advice is worth listening to. For all we know, you could be unattractive to the point where you've never been hit on by a sober guy in your life, and are just here to fullfill that empty void that exists due to a lack of male attention in the real world.
5.) If you can't tell whether a guy you're interested in is a player or not, that tells me you have very little life experiance and that you have no business giving me or anybody like me advice.
6.) By now, you should have learned that the best way to lose a man's attention is to try to control him. You trying to force your opinion down guys' throats here will just make them ignore you more. If you want to discuss game here, learn some manners first and drop the superiority complex and then maybe guys will give you the time of their day.
1.) I don't buy it for a second that you have been here for 2 years (blueangel). in this thread, you haven't displayed any willpower when it came to avoiding arguments with people who disagreed with you, and I seriously doubt that you would have kept quiet for 2 years. It's very obvious that you want people to be convinced you have been here for a long time, and are not just some loud obnoxious newcomer.
2.) You need to come back down to Earth. There are many members who don't come here for advice on women and instead just come here to talk to peers. And by peers, I mean like-minded individuals with similar goals. Now there aren't many guys like this unfortunately, there's about 10-15. You can tell who they are based on the evidence they post that what they preach has worked for them.
Which brings me to my next point:
3.) Just because you claim to be a girl does not make your advice credible. There is a reason guys learn the game from other guys, and not from you. Girls in general have an egocentric view of the world. I don't think it's a bad thing, but it does get in the way of learning.
By that I mean that everything you teach a guy comes from what you know would get YOU (or one of your girlfriends) interested in a man, and you assume that this applies to ALL women. You basically represent a very small sample of the female gender, but are trying to represent its whole population. I hate to break it to you, but you don't represent all women. Just like if I came to a female populated forum, I wouldn't represent all men. I'd represent myself, and that's it.
Now, what you need to realize is that when it comes to dealing with different female personalities, men prefer to learn from guys who have dealt with them. Generally speaking, guys who have been in the game for a long while and have dated a lot, know a variety of female personalities, and know what works, and what doesn't. You on the other hand, only have your perspective, and maybe that of your girlfriends. While that may be an interesting perspective, it doesn't mean people will listen to you when you claim you represent every woman.
When it comes down to it, people can click on my signature and see that what I preach has worked for me. People can look at JC's, Diablo's, and P_S' photos and see that the advice they give comes from experiance and success. You on the other hand are anonymous and your advice means little. Which brings me to....
4.) .....my next point. Why should anyone listen to you over another poster here? First of all, there is a large chance you're actually a guy, because most female posters that have been coming here for years don't try so hard to bring up the fact they're female in every one of their posts. They're being themselves.
So that's one reason for me not to take anything you say seriously. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy discussing game here with women, but only after I'm convinced about who they are.
Secondly, even if you are a girl, no one here has any way of telling whether your advice is worth listening to. For all we know, you could be unattractive to the point where you've never been hit on by a sober guy in your life, and are just here to fullfill that empty void that exists due to a lack of male attention in the real world.
5.) If you can't tell whether a guy you're interested in is a player or not, that tells me you have very little life experiance and that you have no business giving me or anybody like me advice.
6.) By now, you should have learned that the best way to lose a man's attention is to try to control him. You trying to force your opinion down guys' throats here will just make them ignore you more. If you want to discuss game here, learn some manners first and drop the superiority complex and then maybe guys will give you the time of their day.
B-Lemond
Master Don Juan
At first when I read your advice I thought it was REALLY AFC. I mean "call immediately". C'mon... Later, I still thought it was AFC, but I realized what you are saying. What I have noticed is that your advice is on relationships and how to keep the girls. Your advice on this area is excellent. So far all the female posters here have showed that they know how to KEEP the girl. This is why you girls are being bashed. These guys want to know how to GET the girl in the first place.
I noticed that you and female posters in general, want to apply the concepts of keeping a girl into both areas of relationship.
Most guys here want to apply the concepts to getting the girl in both areas of a relatioship.
This is why there is so much arguing.
Both concepts are right but you guys try to apply them to the wrong level in the relationship. "calling immediately" is the right frame of mind when you want to keep a girl. When you want to get a girl it's completely opposite.
This is why people don't like you.
I on the other hand want to LEARN from you. I want to understand both sides of the equation. I hope you don't take this the wrong way but your advice is not correct. Most of it is, but when you try to apply your ideas on how it should be done, to a situation where someone wants to "get" the girl, your advice becomes wrong.
When someone with the "get the girl" strategies uses them to "keep the girl" they are using the wrong tactics.
DAMN, blueangel83! *I* should write a book.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
bbestar
Banned
Yawn... Your still here... It would be a good idea if u went back to your quilting :kick:
Brian20o2
Master Don Juan
:crackup:
blueangel83 says she wants to teach us what women what. Reflect on the following.
The following was written by Marius Panzarella:
A lot of times, women tell me they want a guy who's
"nice", "good", or "normal".
I don't believe any of it. Do you know why?
I don't believe them because I know that most people
on this planet tend to SAY one thing and then DO another. Women
can SAY they like "nice guys" all they want, but that doesn't mean
they actually "respond" to these guys.
I'm not bashing women or anything. It is just human
nature to say one thing that conforms to society's rule and then
do another thing that doesn't. We guys do it all the time.
For example, you've probably told people that all you
want is a "nice girl" and she doesn't have to look like a model,
etc. After all, you are not a shallow man.
But if I were to hook you up with a HOT model who just
happens to be VERY interested in you, what would you do?
You wouldn't be thinking, "I don't want her to be my
girlfriend because she's too beautiful."
Instead, you would be thinking, "WOW...thank you,
Marius. You really ARE the man."
Look. Just because you SAY you don't want beauty doesn't
mean you don't RESPOND to it.
Women are the same. They can SAY they don't like teasing
or flirting, but if they are RESPONDING to these things, then
that's ALL that matters. So forget about trying to be what they
TELL you to be. Instead, focus on becoming the type of guy that
they RESPOND to.
Trust me, you'll see MUCH better results!
The following was written by Marius Panzarella:
A lot of times, women tell me they want a guy who's
"nice", "good", or "normal".
I don't believe any of it. Do you know why?
I don't believe them because I know that most people
on this planet tend to SAY one thing and then DO another. Women
can SAY they like "nice guys" all they want, but that doesn't mean
they actually "respond" to these guys.
I'm not bashing women or anything. It is just human
nature to say one thing that conforms to society's rule and then
do another thing that doesn't. We guys do it all the time.
For example, you've probably told people that all you
want is a "nice girl" and she doesn't have to look like a model,
etc. After all, you are not a shallow man.
But if I were to hook you up with a HOT model who just
happens to be VERY interested in you, what would you do?
You wouldn't be thinking, "I don't want her to be my
girlfriend because she's too beautiful."
Instead, you would be thinking, "WOW...thank you,
Marius. You really ARE the man."
Look. Just because you SAY you don't want beauty doesn't
mean you don't RESPOND to it.
Women are the same. They can SAY they don't like teasing
or flirting, but if they are RESPONDING to these things, then
that's ALL that matters. So forget about trying to be what they
TELL you to be. Instead, focus on becoming the type of guy that
they RESPOND to.
Trust me, you'll see MUCH better results!
blueangel83
Senior Don Juan
When did I loose my manners? I never forced my opinion on anyone. Did you read the part where I said "If you don't want to listen to my advice then don't"?
I have been reading posts from this board for two years. Not on a daily basis but from time to time. Probably once every 2 or 3 months.
Yes, they come here to talk to their peers.......about women I thought this board was primarily created because of women?
If I were so biased with women, I wouldn't be teaching men how to lie to women would I?
You would only represent yourself because you are selfish. Like I said, I know A LOT of women. I have lived in many different states, countries, been a member of several female boards nationwide/worldwide and found that we have many things in common.
Really? how can you distinguish a liar (pretending he knows a lot about women to look good on the internet) from someone who is TRULY successful with women? "Dating a lot" does not mean you are successful, it means that you are a FAILURE. You date a lot, you were able to pick up women BUT AREN'T SKILLED enough to KEEP them around for long. Serial daters are failures, they also tend to be depressed.
Why bring up the fact that I'm a female? because most males will listen to a female's advice.
What are you trying to say that you KNOW me just by reading through my posts? lol
Lack of male attention? It's ridiculous how every guy young or old I pass by greet me with compliments. I've been in several serious relationships, engaged 4 times, dated models, and unattractive men who had nice personalities. My pics? I may not be all that but at least I look human lol. www.myspace.com/meggy83
Why? can YOU tell if that guy is a player? I was thinking the same thing....you don't.
I'm not trying to get every man's attention here, my advice is for those who are willing to learn how to deal with women.
I have been reading posts from this board for two years. Not on a daily basis but from time to time. Probably once every 2 or 3 months.
Yes, they come here to talk to their peers.......about women
I thought this board was primarily created because of women?If I were so biased with women, I wouldn't be teaching men how to lie to women would I?
You would only represent yourself because you are selfish. Like I said, I know A LOT of women. I have lived in many different states, countries, been a member of several female boards nationwide/worldwide and found that we have many things in common.
Really? how can you distinguish a liar (pretending he knows a lot about women to look good on the internet) from someone who is TRULY successful with women? "Dating a lot" does not mean you are successful, it means that you are a FAILURE. You date a lot, you were able to pick up women BUT AREN'T SKILLED enough to KEEP them around for long. Serial daters are failures, they also tend to be depressed.
Why bring up the fact that I'm a female? because most males will listen to a female's advice.
What are you trying to say that you KNOW me just by reading through my posts? lol
Lack of male attention? It's ridiculous how every guy young or old I pass by greet me with compliments. I've been in several serious relationships, engaged 4 times, dated models, and unattractive men who had nice personalities. My pics? I may not be all that but at least I look human lol. www.myspace.com/meggy83
Why? can YOU tell if that guy is a player? I was thinking the same thing....you don't.
I'm not trying to get every man's attention here, my advice is for those who are willing to learn how to deal with women.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Originally posted by blueangel83
When did I loose my manners? I never forced my opinion on anyone. Did you read the part where I said "If you don't want to listen to my advice then don't"?
I have been reading posts from this board for two years. Not on a daily basis but from time to time. Probably once every 2 or 3 months.
Yes, they come here to talk to their peers.......about women
If I were so biased with women, I wouldn't be teaching men how to lie to women would I?
You would only represent yourself because you are selfish. Like I said, I know A LOT of women. I have lived in many different states, countries, been a member of several female boards nationwide/worldwide and found that we have many things in common.
Really? how can you distinguish a liar (pretending he knows a lot about women to look good on the internet) from someone who is TRULY successful with women? "Dating a lot" does not mean you are successful, it means that you are a FAILURE. You date a lot, you were able to pick up women BUT AREN'T SKILLED enough to KEEP them around for long. Serial daters are failures, they also tend to be depressed.
Why bring up the fact that I'm a female? because most males will listen to a female's advice.
What are you trying to say that you KNOW me just by reading through my posts? lol
Lack of male attention? It's ridiculous how every guy young or old I pass by greet me with compliments. I've been in several serious relationships, engaged 4 times, dated models, and unattractive men who had nice personalities. My pics? I may not be all that but at least I look human lol. www.myspace.com/meggy83
Why? can YOU tell if that guy is a player? I was thinking the same thing....you don't.
I'm not trying to get every man's attention here, my advice is for those who are willing to learn how to deal with women.
What I want to learn is that defensive attitude that women always have so they can turn things around and acuse the male.
Brian20o2
Master Don Juan
yeah... wouldnt that be a great talent
"it was all her fault she sexually harassed me"
MetalFortress
Master Don Juan
This screams "overinflated sense of entitlement". And what's a "marterial"?
You wanna know why guy's DON'T listen to female advice? And you say that after reading Mind's post...? Have you read Doc Love and David D, or the articles from the bible here? Of course if you read them you're gonna think "that's BS," because you're a FEMALE. The articles are not meant to make sense or have any practical end for you, they're meant for us guys who go and try that stuff out.
Without the experience of taking something from here and applying it in real life, your advice is as worthless as that from AFC's here (any ody with something in his head can tell who knows his shyt). It's all stuff you *think* will work. If you don't believe there are some principles which hold female behaviour to a certain extent, and might be rather unconventional, for real, you have no place here. If you want to ADD stuff to that, then great, please tell us.
Whatever floats their boats...
blueangel83
Senior Don Juan
Vulture - Can I get a rain check for that? I know the answer but it will take me a few paragraphs to explain.
Gonzalo - OF COURSE I have read the bible. I'm a Catholic who was a Catholic school girl for most of my life. That is what I have to deal with in my neighborhood on a daily basis, random people trying to talk to me in the streets. It doesn't make me happy at all, it pisses me off at times.
MetalFortress - I wrote that this morning when this guy pissed me off by saying "can I get some play" like he would actually get it.
I have to go now, I'll post again next time.
Gonzalo - OF COURSE I have read the bible. I'm a Catholic who was a Catholic school girl for most of my life. That is what I have to deal with in my neighborhood on a daily basis, random people trying to talk to me in the streets. It doesn't make me happy at all, it pisses me off at times.
MetalFortress - I wrote that this morning when this guy pissed me off by saying "can I get some play" like he would actually get it.
I have to go now, I'll post again next time.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.