"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Should you go on dates with women you're not attracted to?
- Thread starter teddy
- Start date
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Albatross953
Master Don Juan
But mostly I say don't dumpster dive, because you may start to think you should settle.
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
after a few girls like this i eventually got comfortable enough to handle hotter women.
Don't lower your standards and wind up in a relationship, but if you need practice, go for it. Experience is the best teacher and knowing going in that you don't expect anything to happen beyond a drink or dinner or whatever will take loads of pressure off. Any practice you can get dealing with real women in real situations is good, imo. The more you deal with, the less pressure you will feel with the hot ones and the less you will pedistalize them. Your confidence can only improve and, depending on who it is and what you do together, you may even score some social value points with women you are attracted to.
And if you do wind up getting a little action from one, experience with that never hurts, either.
I say to for it. Can't hurt.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Set yourself a compromise, we can’t help with that but no one is judging except you anyway.
1) She is fit and healthy looking, albeit not the prettiest.
2) She has a face of an angel/body of an ox.
VladPatton
Master Don Juan
Albatross953
Master Don Juan
It really helped me, I wish I could find it.
I think she used to have decent looks, but her face is now bordering on a 5 at best.
I'm obviously not excited at all, but just wondering if it would be worth it for the experience since I'm on a massive dry spell and hardly getting any dates to begin with.
Or if it's better to just do my own stuff and go with chicks that make me excited.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Meatier/meh-tier. I see what you did there...lol
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
pyros
Master Don Juan
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Maximus Rex
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Is it better to SPEND YOUR TIME AND MONEY, IN ADDITION TO GIVING YOUR ATTENTION TO A WOMEN YOU'RE NOT ATTRACTED TO if you're in a dry spell? Or is better to SPEND YOUR TIME AND MONEY, IN ADDITION TO GIVING YOUR ATTENTION TO WOMEN YOU'RE ATTRACTED TO so that you become used to it.teddy said:
Mr Wright
Master Don Juan
Yeah but maybe if you're not spitting good game at the chicks you are into then you're doing something wrong. You cannot expect to just roll up to a girl you're interested in if you've barely hit on a girl your whole life, you will get shot down and your confidence will go down. Ideally, you dont want to have to date some girls you're not into but I reckon most of the guys who have gotten really good have had to go through that period of dating girls they would not touch today.JoeMarron said:
If you've had 0 experience you can't just jump into a manual car and start driving, you need lessons. It may be a bit embarrassing and hurt your pride but once you get through it you never need to do it again...or you can crash your way to perfection. When you're struggling you fall to the level of your training...apparently
Albatross953
Master Don Juan
No, but thanks for looking pyro.pyros said:
Well, for right now, I have an unattractive woman willing to go on a date with me.Maximus Rex said:
I'm on a dry spell.
Do I do it anyway for the practice or should I pass it up and just keep working at it until I get a woman I'm attracted to out on a date, no matter how long it takes, so that I don't get used to lowering my standards.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.