"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Should you go on dates with women you're not attracted to?
- Thread starter teddy
- Start date
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Albatross953
Master Don Juan
But mostly I say don't dumpster dive, because you may start to think you should settle.
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
after a few girls like this i eventually got comfortable enough to handle hotter women.
Don't lower your standards and wind up in a relationship, but if you need practice, go for it. Experience is the best teacher and knowing going in that you don't expect anything to happen beyond a drink or dinner or whatever will take loads of pressure off. Any practice you can get dealing with real women in real situations is good, imo. The more you deal with, the less pressure you will feel with the hot ones and the less you will pedistalize them. Your confidence can only improve and, depending on who it is and what you do together, you may even score some social value points with women you are attracted to.
And if you do wind up getting a little action from one, experience with that never hurts, either.
I say to for it. Can't hurt.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Set yourself a compromise, we can’t help with that but no one is judging except you anyway.
1) She is fit and healthy looking, albeit not the prettiest.
2) She has a face of an angel/body of an ox.
VladPatton
Master Don Juan
Albatross953
Master Don Juan
It really helped me, I wish I could find it.
I think she used to have decent looks, but her face is now bordering on a 5 at best.
I'm obviously not excited at all, but just wondering if it would be worth it for the experience since I'm on a massive dry spell and hardly getting any dates to begin with.
Or if it's better to just do my own stuff and go with chicks that make me excited.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Meatier/meh-tier. I see what you did there...lol
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
pyros
Master Don Juan
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Maximus Rex
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Is it better to SPEND YOUR TIME AND MONEY, IN ADDITION TO GIVING YOUR ATTENTION TO A WOMEN YOU'RE NOT ATTRACTED TO if you're in a dry spell? Or is better to SPEND YOUR TIME AND MONEY, IN ADDITION TO GIVING YOUR ATTENTION TO WOMEN YOU'RE ATTRACTED TO so that you become used to it.teddy said:
Mr Wright
Master Don Juan
Yeah but maybe if you're not spitting good game at the chicks you are into then you're doing something wrong. You cannot expect to just roll up to a girl you're interested in if you've barely hit on a girl your whole life, you will get shot down and your confidence will go down. Ideally, you dont want to have to date some girls you're not into but I reckon most of the guys who have gotten really good have had to go through that period of dating girls they would not touch today.JoeMarron said:
If you've had 0 experience you can't just jump into a manual car and start driving, you need lessons. It may be a bit embarrassing and hurt your pride but once you get through it you never need to do it again...or you can crash your way to perfection. When you're struggling you fall to the level of your training...apparently
Albatross953
Master Don Juan
No, but thanks for looking pyro.pyros said:
Well, for right now, I have an unattractive woman willing to go on a date with me.Maximus Rex said:
I'm on a dry spell.
Do I do it anyway for the practice or should I pass it up and just keep working at it until I get a woman I'm attracted to out on a date, no matter how long it takes, so that I don't get used to lowering my standards.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.