Seemingly every avenue to meet single women is completely dominated in numbers by men. What am I supposed to do?

[BillyPilgrim]

Perhaps British male culture is different but men here would laugh their absolute ass off and roast you alive for a grown man who isn’t either gay or bi to go to yoga or a dance class.
You might get away with a hip hop class or something.
I’m pretty sure the women there would think it’s a bit odd, but if you were a big Spanish dude called Paulo or something then they’d probably dig it.
If you were just a regular anglo Saxon dude it would appear hilarious.

Ok but do they also roast the guys who brush their teeth?

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I'll post my experiences with both.

I took salsa dancing at a few different points in my life. Here is what I've learned....

With salsa dancing, the classes are essentially a loss leader for getting good enough at dancing to have a fighting chance to pick up in a real life venue with salsa dancing. The classes themselves usually won't have the most attrative women or even the youngest women unless it's a semi-unique situation with classes. If you're in college and taking salsa classes as a college extracurricular, you have a fighting chance of it being useful. Most often, it isn't. Also, you're looking at a long time in salsa classes to get your skill set up to the point where you might be in a real life salsa club. Additionally, if you aren't Hispanic/Latino, you'll also want to be fluent or nearly fluent in Spanish to complement the salsa skills. Learning Spanish also takes time if you don't already know it.

Salsa is a real time sink.

As for yoga, I've been in yoga classes a few times when I was at an extreme lack of prospects at a moment. I prefer other styles of fitness classes more, which also have favorable male-female ratios. Yoga women are a bit kooky if they are serious about it. Even with fitness classes having favorable ratios, getting dates from attending them isn't as easy as you might think. There are very narrow windows to approach. You have 5 mins before class and 5 mins after class. That's not much for quantity. Additionally, a lot of women are not very sociable before/after classes. That's true both for men and with other women in terms of female friendships. I have arranged dates at fitness classes but relative to the number of fitness classes that I attended over time, it was an inefficient time sink. The primary reason to go to fitness classes is if you enjoy the exercise style of the class. If you get any dates out of it, consider it a bonus. You can't build a pipeline around fitness classes. You'll likely have to supplement with other approaching venues.

The yoga/hippie/spiritual women are also a loss leader for men. Either they're damaged or they don't need the D.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Perhaps British male culture is different but men here would laugh their absolute ass off and roast you alive for a grown man who isn’t either gay or bi to go to yoga or a dance class.
You might get away with a hip hop class or something.
I’m pretty sure the women there would think it’s a bit odd, but if you were a big Spanish dude called Paulo or something then they’d probably dig it.
If you were just a regular anglo Saxon dude it would appear hilarious.

I dare a britain to laugh at my face. I am pretty sure they won't. Most of them do not look like they can kill a fly. Don't overestimate yourselves.

 

[Zimbabwe]

The classes themselves usually won't have the most attrative women or even the youngest women

I've always had a feeling salsa would attract mostly 40+ year old women, I don't know a single woman my age who has any interest in dancing. I've noticed this with churchs as well, it's mostly older women and single mums who spent decades riding the carsoul and now are ready to settle down with a Christian beta male.

Yoga women are a bit kooky if they are serious about it. Even with fitness classes having favorable ratios, getting dates from attending them isn't as easy as you might think. There are very narrow windows to approach. You have 5 mins before class and 5 mins after class.

I'm signing up for a yoga class then, and trying my luck. I've been to a few fitness classes at my gym and you are 100% right, there is almost no time to really socialise with anyone. Most people just get in and get out.

Thank you for the right up, I now see why nobody posts field reports of salsa classes or yoga now. If it did work it would turn into a sausage fest anyways

 

[Velasco]

, I now see why nobody posts field reports of salsa classes or yoga now

The most common way the girls in them TikTok videos (the normal ones at least) listed as, where/how they met the guys they'd end up sleeping with, was through mutual friends. Yoga/salsa class was never mentioned. Not once.

So think like a woman. While that chick you have your eyes on in yoga class may not be down to fvck. She may know someone in her circle, whose newly single, and think you're the right kinda guy for her. Leading you to sleep with her with relative ease. Because that's the way she's used to.

I've always had a feeling salsa would attract mostly 40+ year old women, I don't know a single woman my age who has any interest in dancing.

Yeah. And if you were to follow the logic above. That 40 year old in your salsa class, is very likely to friends with other 40-50 year old chicks lol.

 

[Bigpapa]

The most common way the girls in them TikTok videos (the normal ones at least) listed as, where/how they met the guys they'd end up sleeping with, was through mutual friends. Yoga/salsa class was never mentioned. Not once.

So think like a woman. While that chick you have your eyes on in yoga class may not be down to fvck. She may know someone in her circle, whose newly single, and think you're the right kinda guy for her. Leading you to sleep with her with relative ease. Because that's the way she's used to.

Yeah. And if you were to follow the logic above. That 40 year old in your salsa class, is very likely to friends with other 40-50 year old chicks lol.

gonna give you another example , as I just came back from night gaming ( did not do this since pre Covid )

At the beach during the day it was packed with women . During night , more men than women

women are not hoeing around as much as we like to think

also … for aspiring players there is a crucial test that they have to pass in order to know that they have good fundamentals . The face control at a good club

was staying in the Que and was Shocked on how many people were denied entry for whatever reason ( both men and women )

if you dk not have good enough fundamentals , you will not pass The face control . If you can not enter in a club that has an entry fee , very unlikely to bang anything more than a cave troll

Also , face control usually is done by men . So for sure you can not blame women for the assessment . Much harder on guys than girls , for sure … but it has to be like that otherwise it would be a sausage fest and no one would have a good time

 

[Velasco]

(Continued from my comment above...)

The Top 4, "how I met the people I slept with", responses were:

School
Tinder
Work
Club/Bar

Which shouldn't come to a surprise. Because these are "warm" environments (A venue is deemed "warm", if striking up a conversation with someone you've never met before wouldn't be seen as weird). Club/bar can be weird, if your going to one of them social circle bars. The ones where circles tend to stick to their groups only (not weird however, if your being introduced to a new chick through your mutual friend. And not there to pick up girls outside your circle). Cold approach friendly venues? Not weird. There's just less of them these days.

The advantage School and Work have over Tinder and Clubs/Bar, is that lack of "now or never" pressure (your gonna see her again tomorrow. And the next day. And the week after that etc. aka the time necessary for the familiarity principle to work it's magic). That if you don't strike NOW, your odds of seeing her again are greatly diminished.

 

[TheProspect]

I'm signing up for a yoga class then, and trying my luck. I've been to a few fitness classes at my gym and you are 100% right, there is almost no time to really socialise with anyone. Most people just get in and get out.

Thank you for the right up, I now see why nobody posts field reports of salsa classes or yoga now. If it did work it would turn into a sausage fest anyways

I am certified as a yoga instructor.

If you sign up and attend yoga classes with the intention to pick up chicks, not only will I as an instructor know your ulterior motives, but every girl in that class will know. Chances are you will make girls uncomfortable and they will talk to each other (and the instructor) about you in a negative light. Don't be that guy.

Instead, attend classes with the genuine intention to learn and do yoga, because you enjoy yoga or want to reap the benefits of it, not because you think it might be an avenue to getting laid. Over time you will build comfort and rapport with the regulars by just becoming a familiar face, and you then can begin to gradually build a social circle of hot women.

Play the long game, not the one where you expect to get numbers & lays in your first class, because you will lose that game.

I previously wrote a more detailed post on this here.

 

[SW15]

(Continued from my comment above...)

The Top 4, "how I met the people I slept with", responses were:

School
Tinder
Work
Club/Bar

Which shouldn't come to a surprise. Because these are "warm" environments (A venue is deemed "warm", if striking up a conversation with someone you've never met before wouldn't be seen as weird). Club/bar can be weird, if your going to one of them social circle bars. The ones where circles tend to stick to their groups only (not weird however, if your being introduced to a new chick through your mutual friend. And not there to pick up girls outside your circle). Cold approach friendly venues? Not weird. There's just less of them these days.

The advantage School and Work have over Tinder and Clubs/Bar, is that lack of "now or never" pressure (your gonna see her again tomorrow. And the next day. And the week after that etc. aka the time necessary for the familiarity principle to work it's magic). That if you don't strike NOW, your odds of seeing her again are greatly diminished.

School and work are mostly warm environments. In high school or college, it does take some guts to approach the girl in Algebra II or English 102 even if you do see her regularly. Working in the same company has benefits and drawbacks in terms of arranging dates. Best to do it with someone you don't see reguarly and don't have to deal with on work projects. I have actually noticed that a lot of white collar workplaces have a sexually sterile environment.

There's a workplace exception. If a man works in a large office building with multiple companies in that bar and approaches women within other companies in the building, that's cold approaching. I have worked in buildings with many companies in the same building and used the lobby area and/or elevator rides as means to arrange dates and get numbers. If you approach strangers in other companies in the same building, you won't get #MeToo accusations. White collar work is super fussy like that. And, we know most women don't work in blue collar or manual labor environments.

There is a reason you see "warm" environments doing well. Most men are beta males. Beta males struggle with approaching strangers in person. Betas typically get into relationships via social circle. If a beta male lacks a social circle, he'll fight it out on the swipe apps and usually have limited success.

Few men have the guts to approach strangers regularly, especially in non-bar environments while sober. Most men aren't doing non-bar approaching so fewer sexual partnerships form that way. Stranger approach, both in bars and non-bar environments, is extremely challenging and often unrewarding.

 

[thermodynamic]

You have to be better than most men, so that most of the guys in a place do not matter to you

 

[Hamurabimbi]

gonna give you another example , as I just came back from night gaming ( did not do this since pre Covid )

At the beach during the day it was packed with women . During night , more men than women

women are not hoeing around as much as we like to think

also … for aspiring players there is a crucial test that they have to pass in order to know that they have good fundamentals . The face control at a good club

was staying in the Que and was Shocked on how many people were denied entry for whatever reason ( both men and women )

if you dk not have good enough fundamentals , you will not pass The face control . If you can not enter in a club that has an entry fee , very unlikely to bang anything more than a cave troll

Also , face control usually is done by men . So for sure you can not blame women for the assessment . Much harder on guys than girls , for sure … but it has to be like that otherwise it would be a sausage fest and no one would have a good time

I thought being denied entry into a club was a ‘70’s Studio 54 legend. I’ve traveled throughout the US and never saw entry denied (unless obvious horribly drunk/drugs, complete a$$ho or homeless looking).

 

[Bigpapa]

I thought being denied entry into a club was a ‘70’s Studio 54 legend. I’ve traveled throughout the US and never saw entry denied (unless obvious horribly drunk/drugs, complete a$$ho or homeless looking).

depends What type of clubs . The good ones usually deny a lot of people

 

[Hamurabimbi]

(Continued from my comment above...)

The Top 4, "how I met the people I slept with", responses were:

School
Tinder
Work
Club/Bar

For me:
Work or work related
Tinder
Club/Bar
Life in general (clerk @ convenience store, non-work conventions, baristas/waitress. Attendee @ fair/concert, gym…)
Out of school for too long. So nope.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Pretty common sight in NorCal.

Perhaps British male culture is different but men here would laugh their absolute ass off and roast you alive for a grown man who isn’t either gay or bi to go to yoga or a dance class.
You might get away with a hip hop class or something.
I’m pretty sure the women there would think it’s a bit odd, but if you were a big Spanish dude called Paulo or something then they’d probably dig it.
If you were just a regular anglo Saxon dude it would appear hilarious.

 

[Bigpapa]

For me:
Work or work related
Tinder
Club/Bar
Life in general (clerk @ convenience store, non-work conventions, baristas/waitress. Attendee @ fair/concert, gym…)
Out of school for too long. So nope.

does not look like a medium that yield a lot of quality results

 

[SW15]

I thought of this thread today while riding my bike on one of my city's most popular walking/biking paths. I have done approaches on this path, both on foot and stopping while biking.

If you look at the biological sex of the bike riders, it is a complete sausage fest. It's ridiculous. No idea why women don't ride bicycles much.

I've tried to look at biking groups in my city and I've never found a good option for meeting age appropriate women through biking.

On this path, most of the women on the path are on foot. It's challenging to do approaches on the path simply because most women are in motion and most are wearing earbuds. It's crucial to time approaches just right while a woman is standing around in a parking lot or stationary for some other reason.

 

[ubercat]

I was at badminton yesterday with my partners female workmates. One is a unicorn. Attractive nice Asian girl in her late 20s with amazing slender long legs. She s working two jobs and finishing her masters. Her only requirements are tall because she is and has a job. I think to catch the best women, work study or through a friend are the only ways. And approach the hot girls. If you saw this chick on the street you d think no way is she single.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Isnt California massive Hispanic, it seems to have all Spanish names? I think it’s more acceptable culturally in Hispanic communities for men to dance and be more flamboyant.

British male culture is very anti-that

California 2020 Census data:
White alone 61.6%
Black alone 12.4%
Hispanic 18.7%
Asian alone 6%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone 1.1%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone 0.2%
Some Other Race alone 8.4%
Two or More Races 10.2%

 

[Pokerbaby]

Cool underrated spot to meet women is a thrift store. Especially if you are wearing nice clothes and dmeonstrate some style. ALways 2-1 women to men in there. I go there because I like thrifting and just notice.

 

[BeExcellent]

I thought being denied entry into a club was a ‘70’s Studio 54 legend. I’ve traveled throughout the US and never saw entry denied (unless obvious horribly drunk/drugs, complete a$$ho or homeless looking).

Then you aren’t going to the clubs where hot girls go. To get in there? You gotta be a hot girl or a cool guy. These are the clubs with a line down the block and a wait.

The hottest clubs are going to be at capacity each weekend night. The door men and/or promoter already know that. So they can afford to pick & choose who gets in, which builds the exclusivity of the venue. All patrons are not created equal. At the best clubs they attract the hot women…and the hot women attract ALL the men. So guess who gets preferential treatment? Hot girls. I never waited in long lines to get in anywhere. I still don’t. A year ago I was out in a very popular nightlife town dressed to the 9s. Walked past the line (which was a full block) full of young people. The bouncer gave me a nod as I passed & I stopped & asked him how is it? I hear it’s Ok….He gestures me over (and my date), says This is the hot place. DJ downstairs, live band on the roof open air. I say Ok nice…he says “come in & check it out”, waives the cover, checks IDs and in we go.

And I’m in my 50s. But the guys in the back of the line don’t know that. All they see is a tall blond with great legs and hair down to her waist walking in. And they want to meet a chick like that. I’m also pretty cool & chill to the door guys, rather than being a snot. And I have a IDGAF stance towards going there at all. I’m anything but thirsty. That vibe translates and that vibe is what they want in the club.

At super popular venues you will wait unless you are the “cool people” and/or the beautiful people. It’s always been that way.

Be the cool people or the beautiful people & you’re going to get in. It’s a maybe for everyone else unless you go very early or establish yourself on off nights as a regular or unless you are willing to drop thousands on bottle service. The bottle service people? Often groups of men who combine resources to look like a big deal to hot chicks in the club. Not always but often.

But yeah. Selection is a thing.