Seemingly every avenue to meet single women is completely dominated in numbers by men. What am I supposed to do?

[Barrister]

The problem is that the average heterosexual male would really have to push himself to attend a dance class or a fashion/art event. It's kind of like a woman going to a wrestling match or a monster truck race to meet men. The difficulty is finding events that are attended by heterosexual women where you wouldn't feel entirely out of your element and/or bored to death. Going to events that you have zero genuine interest in for the sole purpose of meeting girls rarely works.

Agreed. The other issue with attending yoga or dancing classes is these are long game type situations. If you show up as the new guy and immediately start trying to game the women there, you immediately will get a rep (in a bad way) and they will start avoiding you like the plague. Now, if you show up and are simply friendly and genuinely want to get better at these exercises, you lay the foundation to ask these women out once they are comfortable. But it is not an overnight thing.

 

[lost_blackbird]

I said look like him, dude.

You missed the joke, there's one letter difference between my full name and his.

 

[thelambofdeth]

You missed the joke, there's one letter difference between my full name and his.

Dude....how tf would I know that?

 

[lost_blackbird]

You wouldn't but I'm reminded almost daily by any person I have to give my name to.

 

[thelambofdeth]

You wouldn't but I'm reminded almost daily by any person I have to give my name to.

Could be worse. That's a pretty solid ice breaker tbh.

 

[SW15]

Agreed. The other issue with attending yoga or dancing classes is these are long game type situations. If you show up as the new guy and immediately start trying to game the women there, you immediately will get a rep (in a bad way) and they will start avoiding you like the plague. Now, if you show up and are simply friendly and genuinely want to get better at these exercises, you lay the foundation to ask these women out once they are comfortable. But it is not an overnight thing.

I have attended fitness classes at my primary gym over time and also dabbled at other places. You can approach women immediately if they catch your eye. I've done it. I don't necessarily see it as a long game thing. If you go to different classes at different times even at the same facility, you're likely to see all different women.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Volleyball is one of the better co-ed sports league options.

I'm better with a football. Would give it a go on volleyball co-ed and would put work in. Cold approach on rival teams.

I'm not actively doing this. Was entirely a thought experiment. Open to it. I highly recommend the boys reinvent themselves. Find new avenues for pulling and generate new leads.

It’s pretty difficult to swoop into a co-ed kickball, softball, volleyball, or soccer league & directly arrange dates. First, there are more men than women in all these leagues. Nearly every other guy in these leagues is an unattached guy who is trying to get his penis wet in league because he read some advice article online or in a printed copy of a magazine about doing this. Participating in co-ed sports leagues is a form of weak social circle game. Yes, it is easier to talk to a woman after a game in a co-ed sports league than it would be to talk to a random woman at the grocery store, mall, or a bar. As a result, many men think that this will be game on easy mode. Most men fail at co-ed sports leagues in terms of getting their penises wet.

No doubt. Then again 99% don't approach. Can't pull but binge boomer pods and kick out cams in spectator mode. This is my competition. I like my odds. Game is so poor these days.

i didn't like the yoga vibe too much. I have done spin/kickboxing/boxing/bootcamp type classes. Gotten dates from it. Tough venue as most women in those classes aren't too social before or after class. Ratios are good though.

Purely a W in demographic & logistics. I prefer actually doing mma, boxing or bjj myself. I enjoy yoga and meditation for active recovery. It's just bonus to pickup too. I don't disagree. The environment isn't a layup by no means. I'm going to spit game regardless of the environment. Million dollar mouth piece. Let the chips fall where they may.

I'm in agreement with Aaron Clarey. Majority of women hate and absolutely dislike men. It's Chad or Tyrone that they want but more or less a ego boost as well as a means to free resources via marriage or divorce rapey.

I ran into a chick I picked up years ago. She Looked rough. Present day 6 maybe at best. Quite the skid down hill. Was enthusiastic to see me. She says "I only work part-time." I noticed a wedding ring. Classic female logic. Politely excused myself. Reminded me of another woman who said she wants a bf to split everything with. Lulz.

These are classic examples of modern women ran through and what fellas are competing for. The game is catch and release.

 

[SW15]

I'm better with a football. Would give it a go on volleyball co-ed and would put work in. Cold approach on rival teams.

I'm not actively doing this. Was entirely a thought experiment. Open to it.

It's difficult to swoop into a co-ed sports league and get dates from that. Participating in co-ed sports leagues is a form of weak social circle game. Yes, it is easier to talk to a woman after a game in a co-ed sports league than it would be to talk to a random woman at the grocery store, mall, or a bar. Most men who participate in co-ed sports leagues are doing it to try to get their penises wet because they read some online article that it is an easier form of game. It isn't. Most men fail to get their penises wet as a result of participating in a co-ed sports league.

Then again 99% don't approach.

Swipe apps are filled with the 99% of men who don't approach in real life.

Game is so poor these days.

It is, but there's a ton of competition by quantity. It's difficult to stand out on a swipe app. You've got a better chance of standing out in some form of in-person game, particularly non-bar approaching, which has been the majority of my approaching for the past decade. Bar/nightclub approaching is extremely difficult and nearly as bad as the swipe app environment.

I'm in agreement with Aaron Clarey. Majority of women hate and absolutely dislike men. It's Chad or Tyrone that they want but more or less a ego boost as well as a means to free resources via marriage or divorce rapey.

I agree as well.

These are classic examples of modern women ran through and what fellas are competing for.

The game is catch and release.

It is funny that you mention a fishing technique. In mating terms, catch & release would be associated with one night stands and short term casual sex. If you extend the fishing metaphor, I perceive that looking for a girlfriend in most large Western cities is like fishing for trout in a sewer.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

It's difficult to swoop into a co-ed sports league and get dates from that. Participating in co-ed sports leagues is a form of weak social circle game. Yes, it is easier to talk to a woman after a game in a co-ed sports league than it would be to talk to a random woman at the grocery store, mall, or a bar. Most men who participate in co-ed sports leagues are doing it to try to get their penises wet because they read some online article that it is an easier form of game. It isn't. Most men fail to get their penises wet as a result of participating in a co-ed sports league.

+1

Agreed. Again it's more of a thought experiment. An idea.

Since the pandemic, I went mostly day game. Parks, hiking, indoor workout facilities (not conventional gyms; think iron man indoors and semi co-ed?), dog parks, beach, lake fronts, and others.

Swipe apps are filled with the 99% of men who don't approach in real life.

yeah. OLD is a cluster **** of low hanging fruit.

it is, but there's a ton of competition by quantity. It's difficult to stand out on a swipe app. You've got a better chance of standing out in some form of in-person game, particularly non-bar approaching, which has been the majority of my approaching for the past decade. Bar/nightclub approaching is extremely difficult and nearly as bad as the swipe app environment.

+1

I prefer cold approach. It's better. I agree it's a time sunk but it is better than fighting a algorithm and entitled has been puss.

I agree as well.



It is funny that you mention a fishing technique. In mating terms, catch & release would be associated with one night stands and short term casual sex. If you extend the fishing metaphor, I perceive that looking for a girlfriend in most large Western cities is like fishing for trout in a sewer.

I thought when I was blue pill (before learning pickup) the better experience with foreign women abroad or random encounter was the unavailability. Sure. There's elements of that but it's that some cultures outside of the UK value traditional values. Women are feminine elsewhere. the idea of value added is legitimately a thing women elsewhere know and are taught. Modern women don't know how to turn on a stove. Never mind offering value.

Dating is rubbish these days. Gems still exist. It's just very low probability in the west on top of the low probability in pickup.

It's mostly a dumpster fire. Catch and release material. Pump and dump. I've had awesome girls too and they get kept in the rotation. Value added is not the norm. Even still girls want to nest sooner or later. Even the most icy playboy wants to relax sooner or later.

 

[Vantagepoint34]

+1

Agreed. Again it's more of a thought experiment. An idea.

Since the pandemic, I went mostly day game. Parks, hiking, indoor workout facilities (not conventional gyms; think iron man indoors and semi co-ed?), dog parks, beach, lake fronts, and others.



yeah. OLD is a cluster **** of low hanging fruit.



+1

I prefer cold approach. It's better. I agree it's a time sunk but it is better than fighting a algorithm and entitled has been puss.


I thought when I was blue pill (before learning pickup) the better experience with foreign women abroad or random encounter was the unavailability. Sure. There's elements of that but it's that some cultures outside of the UK value traditional values. Women are feminine elsewhere. the idea of value added is legitimately a thing women elsewhere know and are taught. Modern women don't know how to turn on a stove. Never mind offering value.

Dating is rubbish these days. Gems still exist. It's just very low probability in the west on top of the low probability in pickup.

It's mostly a dumpster fire. Catch and release material. Pump and dump. I've had awesome girls too and they get kept in the rotation. Value added is not the norm. Even still girls want to nest sooner or later. Even the most icy playboy wants to relax sooner or later.

I Have a joke about this. When girlfriend plans a trip to yellow stone she makes it… When wife reaches kitchen shouldn’t bother you. -Stewart

 

[Bingo-Player]

OP you must realise female social dynamics are a lot different to male

A lot of single males when push comes to shove will go to the coffee shop or bar or whatever else alone to try and make some friends or potential dates because they have nothing to lose

Single females won't , they want a girlfriend or two to come along with them and if nobody is available they would rather stay in

To a single female the world is perceived as a lot more hostile and dangerous

Many do not want to spend a lot of time out on their own and risk getting chatted up by Barry a 38 year old who weighs 280 lbs, works in fintech and becomes extremely offended when someone declines his chat up lines and advances

This is to an extent why online suits the female dating strategy they can quickly filter out all the "Barrys" wit minimal risk to their wellbeing

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The girl i am currently sleeping with , says she doesnt even like going out to straight bars or clubs anymore because so many creeps are hitting on her all the time

She prefers to go to gay bars ( and maybe there is a small clue there for OP )

I don't believe there is a shortage of single women out there there is plenty , however accessing them has probably never been more guarded by society in general

I have said it before and i will say it again ......

You really need to have something about you to succeed in modern dating , wether that be connections , wealth , charisma , confidence , fitness whatever

You need an angle to penetrate

Being an average Joe bloggs just isn't enough anymore

 

[SW15]

you must realise female social dynamics are a lot different to male

To a single female the world is perceived as a lot more hostile and dangerous

Many do not want to spend a lot of time out on their own and risk getting chatted up by Barry a 38 year old who weighs 280 lbs, works in fintech and becomes extremely offended when someone declines his chat up lines and advances

This is to an extent why online suits the female dating strategy they can quickly filter out all the "Barrys" wit minimal risk to their wellbeing

All of the methods that aren't in-person are suited towards the females. You're right about filtering out "the Barry's". One of the dangers of tech-assisted dating methods is that females start applying the rules they apply on the apps/Instagram to real life. A lot of women are now accustomed to having supreme abundance on apps and expect the real world to match the apps. That's one part of the female entitlement and delusional behaviors that we see. I've had 5.5's and below either reject my offers for dates or "agree and flake" from in-person interactions. Remember that I am a 7 and above their SMV to a significant margin. They only get these delusions of grandeur from having abundance on swipe apps and in their Twitter/Instagram/LinkedIn DMs.

A lot of females are also incapable of processing a daygame approach. The majority of my daygame conversations do not last more than 60 seconds. Most women do not understand the concept of being stopped by someone. They consider it an inconvenience. It can be quite frustrating to have a good opener and have the interaction not last 60 seconds. It's possible that a lot of these women have pre-existing boyfriends and are not looking for new penis. That's why they are short in their interactions. They never mention the boyfriend directly though.

The girl i am currently sleeping with , says she doesnt even like going out to straight bars or clubs anymore because so many creeps are hitting on her all the time

She prefers to go to gay bars ( and maybe there is a small clue there for OP )

Men have been going to gay bars to pick up women for a long time. This is not a new tactic. There's a 4-5 part series on picking up women at gay bars, I have linked Part 1 below.

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It's possible to have success from going to gay bars to pick up women but it takes a lot. I think more men would be better off focusing on non-bar approaching or changing up times in which they go to mainly heterosexual bars.

Women who are horny AF and most down for the same night lay won't be in a gay bar. Additionally, phone number flakes are higher in all types of bars than they were 15 years ago.

You need an angle to penetrate. You really need to have something about you to succeed in modern dating , wether that be connections , wealth , charisma , confidence , fitness whatever

Being an average Joe bloggs just isn't enough anymore

It has been decades since being an Average Joe was good enough for a woman. I'd say the Boomers and early X'ers were some of the last to experience this. I agree on needing an angle now.

 

[Bingo-Player]

All of the methods that aren't in-person are suited towards the females. You're right about filtering out "the Barry's". One of the dangers of tech-assisted dating methods is that females start applying the rules they apply on the apps/Instagram to real life. A lot of women are now accustomed to having supreme abundance on apps and expect the real world to match the apps. That's one part of the female entitlement and delusional behaviors that we see. I've had 5.5's and below either reject my offers for dates or "agree and flake" from in-person interactions. Remember that I am a 7 and above their SMV to a significant margin. They only get these delusions of grandeur from having abundance on swipe apps and in their Twitter/Instagram/LinkedIn DMs.

A lot of females are also incapable of processing a daygame approach. The majority of my daygame conversations do not last more than 60 seconds. Most women do not understand the concept of being stopped by someone. They consider it an inconvenience. It can be quite frustrating to have a good opener and have the interaction not last 60 seconds. It's possible that a lot of these women have pre-existing boyfriends and are not looking for new penis. That's why they are short in their interactions. They never mention the boyfriend directly though.

Well yea i think that goes without saying 80% of the threads on this forum centre around some variation of inequality in online dating but theres not a lot any of us can do about it other than not using them

Like most things in modern society they are a quick and low cost / effort solution to a problem and therefore tend to do quite well with the masses

Most dont really care about the intricacies

Women are delusional but mother nature is a harsh teacher and as every year ticks by these girls start to loose men that were previously drooling at their feet

The pressure to stay relevant is enormous for them and i am seeing the consequences first hand on my own social media feeds

Girls who 5-10 years ago were in their prime with thousands of orbiters are now struggling to get 20 likes on a selfie

It's quite amusing to watch

 

[SW15]

Girls who 5-10 years ago were in their prime with thousands of orbiters are now struggling to get 20 likes on a selfie

That's a marketing problem more than anything. Remember this thread....

Post wall average 39 year old woman making 500K a year on OnlyFans for mild content...sad state of men

So disgraceful dudes are that thirsty these days they would pay to see mild content from an average looking post wall 39 year old woman... What the hell is wrong with these dudes? https://news.yahoo.com/meet-family-behind-texas-thighs-083012479.html

www.sosuave.net

A 39 year old mother of two teenagers makes $500,000 per year on OnlyFans. She's well past her prime. Apparently, she knows there are excessive amount of single male simps and sexless married simps.

There are excess single males, which is why the OP made the observation he made to start this thread.

 

[ubercat]

Wow I am curious because it seems ike the whole market has changed. I used to do ok on OLD just on charm and not being a complete loser. That was over 7 years ago and sounds like it's over. Even then OLD was just practice and occasionally getting it wet. I d voted with my feet on Aussie girls. Targeted Asian and EE chicks on every channel. Sounds like the ovary guarding has reached pandemic. If only the top 20% will get laid the first company that can make a sex robot that can cook will be the next Google. Or maybe the Google minge will join the Google nest family.

 

[Scaramouche]

Hi Zimbabwe,
Maybe twenty years ago a guy started a regulart meet and greet in Sydney from memory called Davids Dining Group... http://davidsdinners.org they still have functions the one I attended had only two Guys and maybe eight femmes as you seem reluctant to take up Dancing or trawl up to Newcastle why not give it a bash?

 

[lost_blackbird]

Being an average Joe bloggs just isn't enough anymore

Nor is being a make up plastered Jabba with a drink problem and false eyelashes like broomheads.
Which seems to describe an awful lot of todays girls out on the town.

 

[Slowhandluke]

The girl i am currently sleeping with , says she doesnt even like going out to straight bars or clubs anymore because so many creeps are hitting on her all the time

She prefers to go to gay bars ( and maybe there is a small clue there for OP )

I don't believe there is a shortage of single women out there there is plenty , however accessing them has probably never been more guarded by society in general

I have said it before and i will say it again ......

You really need to have something about you to succeed in modern dating , wether that be connections , wealth , charisma , confidence , fitness whatever

You need an angle to penetrate

Being an average Joe bloggs just isn't enough anymore

There's an approximate number of women and men in the usa. If the average women are too picky and does not chose the average man, than she will be alone.

The average woman going to a gay bar looking for a romantic partner is stupid.

Give it 10 years, and the average woman will wonder where have all the good men gone. They weren't at the gay bar that's for sure.

Mating is about finding a match and not about dissing men. Women forget this.

 

[MatureDJ]

Have other people had this experience?

True Forced Loneliness prophet "Roller" Steve Hoca started talking about this in the '00s.

Does anyone have any advice for how to deal with this?

GeoMax, EscortMax, and make peace with the Black Pill.

 

[MatureDJ]

I went on dating apps. I was overweight at the time and not particularly photogenic.

I had a new date minimum twice a month.

I found the better sites where you have to pay was much better than tinder and the free ones, which were all about looks.

I did, however, spend most evenings messaging. I had maybe a one in 10-15 response rate.

I’d say the responders, one in 3 got to a date. Out of the dates, maybe 1 in 2 got to sechs.

I would add that the moment I gave up PUA game techniques, and presented myself as who I was, the better it got.

You have to accentuate your real strengths.

At first I tried sporty pics and a picture of my nice car/flat. The moment I changed to the real me - a good suit. Blazer and jeans, it changed .

If you can’t pull off bad boy alpha (I can’t), pull off “guy who she would be proud to bring to a party”

OLD gets a bad rap, but as has been established, a lot of guys are here because they don’t know how to talk to women. Especially with written communications, I find this easy.

How tall are you?