"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Same sort of approach, she said "aww thank you'

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This very attractive women, smart jacket well dressed, I saw walk past and then had a distance of 10 meters ahead of me

I thought to myself "if it goes well how can I stack the convo"

I walked, as I was beside her my pace matched her pace

I go "excuse me"

She looked and made eye contact

I then said "I just saw you and I just had to say hello to you"

At this point my mind wasn't right and I felt I was qualifying myself to her

She made eye contact and said "aww thank you"

Then walked off
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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This very attractive women, smart jacket well dressed, I saw walk past and then had a distance of 10 meters ahead of me

I thought to myself "if it goes well how can I stack the convo"

I walked, as I was beside her my pace matched her pace

I go "excuse me"

She looked and made eye contact

I then said "I just saw you and I just had to say hello to you"

At this point my mind wasn't right and I felt I was qualifying myself to her

She made eye contact and said "aww thank you"

Then walked off
Always better to take action than having the thought of regret later.
 

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What do you expect? This is going to be 95% of your interactions in these scenarios.

Your hit rate even when you are really really good is going to be very low because it's kinda creepy and weird to be running up on people like that randomly.

When people post that "I did something that has over a 95% fail rate and I failed." I am kinda like "Well, yeah, that's going to happen a lot more than not." This isn't newsworthy...what would be newsworthy is if you turned that into a date.
 

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This very attractive women, smart jacket well dressed, I saw walk past and then had a distance of 10 meters ahead of me

I thought to myself "if it goes well how can I stack the convo"
This needs to be thought of in advance. Have some standby lines if nothing contextual comes to mind.

"aww" isn't necessarily a killer if there is also an edginess elsewhere in the interaction. It's merely an expression of comfort, which is okay if there is also attraction. If you had followed up with an interesting question that encompasses something unique about her, you'd have been okay.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Approaching strangers in general in any setting has a low conversion rate for arranging dates.
Exactly. I don't understand why this would be surprising or what people are hoping to learn other than you are basically looking for a needle in a haystack if you think you are going to pick up a woman in these situations.

I guess it's good to do it and get experience talking with women to help in other situations, but you could simply put yourself in more conducive situations with women and up your success rate.
 

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flirting with random women.

cons: low success rate. she might think you are creepy.

pros: if you are successful, that means she REALLY likes you. also, of she doesn't really like you, she will know you like her and if you see her again, that might be the seed for her to see you as something more (as long as you are not desperate)
 

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flirting with random women.

cons: low success rate. she might think you are creepy.

pros: if you are successful, that means she REALLY likes you. also, of she doesn't really like you, she will know you like her and if you see her again, that might be the seed for her to see you as something more (as long as you are not desperate)
IMO, if you are doing this, the goal should be to become more comfortable with talking to women in general so you can apply this to situations that have a much better success rate than running up on randos in public and increase your success rates there rather than expecting to actually pick up these women more than once in a very very blue moon.
 

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Exactly. I don't understand why this would be surprising or what people are hoping to learn other than you are basically looking for a needle in a haystack if you think you are going to pick up a woman in these situations.

I guess it's good to do it and get experience talking with women to help in other situations, but you could simply put yourself in more conducive situations with women and up your success rate.
I find this is the proverbial snake eating its tail. Cold approach is low hit rate, so I try to do the social event game. But everyone else has the same idea: it’s saturated with pushy, blabbering sausage. So I go back to apps. Then I realize they don’t deliver anything but scraps in ever sparser quantities. So then I think, nothing else is going to work, I have to cold approach…

The truth is society picks its winners and losers early. Some people, it just chooses to marginalize. With AI fundamentally devaluing intellect, extroversion and social mimicry will reign even more supreme. Meanwhile, the disintermediation tools the internet brought have greatly diminished — the social landscape is rapidly becoming closed again. The music has stopped.
 

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I find this is the proverbial snake eating its tail. Cold approach is low hit rate, so I try to do the social event game. But everyone else has the same idea: it’s saturated with pushy, blabbering sausage. So I go back to apps. Then I realize they don’t deliver anything but scraps in ever sparser quantities. So then I think, nothing else is going to work, I have to cold approach…

The truth is society picks its winners and losers early. Some people, it just chooses to marginalize. With AI fundamentally devaluing intellect, extroversion and social mimicry will reign even more supreme. Meanwhile, the disintermediation tools the internet brought have greatly diminished — the social landscape is rapidly becoming closed again. The music has stopped.
Nah, I don't get with the crybaby stuff. You are a grown man and in control of much of this, don't act like "Woe is me, I have no control of anything".

Everyone has the same idea? Great. Most will be terrible at it because they are lazy and haven't bothered putting much work into improving and if you've worked hard enough to become good at that, you will stick out in a positive way. Sure you'll have some people who are naturally good. So what?

You don't have to be better than everyone, just better than the people who were at your level that you now are far above.

There is a reason why I haven't gone without sex for longer than 2 weeks in probably 5-6 years. It's because I understand it's a volume game, there is no crying or getting down when things don't work out with any one woman and I keep working on filling my pipeline.

It's not hard, you just have to work out a system that works for you, is easily repeatable over and over and one that gets enough results.

Most guys would rather spend their time crying, whining and complaining tho instead of working on getting results unphased by what is happening day by day.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I forced myself to go out tonight. I didn’t even lay eyes on a woman worth talking to (granted this is the DC area). I did waste $50 on a burger and drink in the process. I still go through the motions, but I don’t have the energy to pretend anymore
 

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The women haven't blown me out hard when I approached them.
 

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Love the effort hate the execution. Need to come at her with something innovative and innocuous and in a perfect world ****y funny but that is based on her body language. Could have commented on the mutual setting, dunno it’s hard but you have to do your best based on what she is putting out in body vibes. Definitely don’t ever tell her again you had to talk to her. You need to be as hard to get as possible. If possible chat a woman up in front of her that you don’t care about if the time and space allow it. Get that other girl to laugh. Get that chick to get her in a conversation with your target. Now you’ve opened your target with a chick there is no better social proof. She won’t even realize it. I had five chicks laughing last night and this guy from my office winging for me he didn’t even realize what he was doing for me. I thought I was going to get a lesbian to put out lol. This works virtually every time. Lately I am telling chicks the straight truth, that I have three kids, and a girlfriend and I add the white lie about being married, cause it’s hysterical and insanely confident, landed the hottest girl I’ve ever hooked up with on it, who I can’t understand why she still talks to me, go read my nyc thread. Have fun with it.
 
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Everyone thinks this is what is going to happen and cite it as a reason why they are afraid of approaching women but it almost never does.
That’s what I used to think…again, DC is the worst of the worst. Even here, the ones that will do that are a minority. But it only takes one to ruin your day (or worse).
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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