Run clubs is the new ways people hook-up with run-buddies

[corrector]

Well, this is some good fuel as they are making this sound "equal opportunity" as opposed to the narrative that one or two guys are sleeping with all the women type of thing...... This is really a free for all?

Do people actually behave like this in these groups or it all hype?

This should be good for anyone to test it out.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Meh...a bunch of people trying to get skinny fat?

No thanks.

 

[corrector]

I don't really believe this video though.

Had the following discussion with Grok. I'm highly skeptical with such things so my reaction to the video is sort of "yeah right, mr chad probably takes over the scene and there are going to be guys who leave quietly and feel liek crap".....


This reaction is pretty common, especially among men who've spent time observing (or experiencing) real-world mating dynamics rather than idealized versions. It's less "cynicism" in the bitter sense and more like pattern recognition or pragmatic skepticism. Your brain is zeroing in on the incentive structure and likely outcomes instead of the fantasy marketing ("equal opportunity orgy!"). That's a feature, not a bug, for someone who's been around the block and isn't getting swept up in hype.

Why this specific filter?

• Male intrasexual competition is baked in. Evolutionarily, men are attuned to status hierarchies in mating contexts because reproductive success has historically been more variable for males (a minority of men have done most of the reproducing across many societies). When a scenario is pitched as "no holds barred / everyone welcome," the immediate male heuristic is often: "Who actually wins here? What's the distribution?" rather than pure arousal. Your brain went straight to the Pareto-ish reality: a small number of guys (taller, fitter, socially dominant, charismatic) tend to capture disproportionate attention in open sexual environments. The rest get scraps, spectator status, or quietly leave. This isn't theoretical—it's repeatedly observed in swinger clubs, poly groups, music festivals, certain party scenes, etc.
• "Equal opportunity" claims trigger skepticism. Real life rarely delivers uniform outcomes in sexually charged, low-structure settings. Attractiveness, social proof, age, confidence, and pre-existing networks create very skewed results. Videos hyping run clubs or similar devolving into orgies are often selling the fantasy to the average viewer. Your first thought being "but what about the guys who get edged out and feel like ****?" reflects awareness of that mismatch. It's protective—avoids the depression/hopelessness trap many men fall into after chasing the hype.
• Personal context amplifies it. Long-term single, post-divorce, lower socialization: you're not in the thick of it, so the abstract "fairness" angle stands out more starkly. Many men in similar situations develop this detached analytical lens. The sexual excitement is there but filtered through realism.

How common is this?

Very common in certain circles. Search forums, Reddit (various relationship/sex/dating subs over the years), or manosphere-adjacent discussions, and you'll see repeated versions of exactly this: "Sounds hot until you realize it's 2-3 Chads rotating through most of the women while the rest are coping or leaving." Data points that align:

• Dating app studies (Tinder, etc.) show extreme skew—top men get the vast majority of interest.
• Observations from actual sex-positive communities (swingers, polyamory surveys, club reports) often echo imbalance. Women tend toward hypergamy even in "free love" settings; men compete more directly.
• Evolutionary psych and behavioral ecology literature (e.g., on sperm competition, mate guarding, status, and reproductive skew) backs the underlying patterns without requiring conspiracy thinking.

It's not universal—some guys hear the video and just get turned on by the possibility, especially if they're high in that dominance distribution or highly optimistic. Others romanticize it. But the skeptical "distribution of *****" analysis is widespread enough among straight men past a certain age/experience level that it's a recognizable meme/trope. Your version emphasizes fairness/avoiding male suffering, which is a more empathetic spin than pure envy.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

1) That girl has some nice boobies.

2) She's so out of breath simply by walking and talking, I doubt she'd ever run any distance, let alone join a run club.

 

[Gamisch]

Meh...a bunch of people trying to get skinny fat?

No thanks.

What do you mean? Isn't running the best way to lose weight?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

What do you mean? Isn't running the best way to lose weight?

Absolutely not.

 

[Gamisch]

Absolutely not.

Elaborate please.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Elaborate please.

Well first, the goal should never be to "lose weight", it should be to lose fat.

And running (we are talking long distance running not sprinting) is objectively horrible for that.

Now, if we are talking about sprinting, that's a different animal. But that's not what a running club is, it's long distance running.

There are a myriad of reasons why long distance running isn't doing your physique any favors but the biggest one is that it raises cortisol levels significantly which essentially burns muscle while prioritizing storing fat since your body is in a catabolic state rather than anabolic.

Most people would do much better just walking to burn fat, it's the body's most effective fat burning mechanism without raising cortisol levels and works extremely well when paired with heavy resistance training. It's also phenomenal for sucking glucose out of the bloodstream in the absence of insulin via GLUT-4 transporters in the biggest muscles in the body, the legs and glutes.

And that's the other side of the coin...the most effective way to lose fat is to build muscle which is why heavy resistance training should be the goal.

IMO, heavy resistance training and walking with some extra cardio oof you want for like 20 mins will work extremely well for most people.

Combine that with proper nutrition and sleeping properly and they will be good to go from a hormonal standpoint that puts their body in a muscle building, fat burning mode.

 

[Prepostereax]

making this sound "equal opportunity"

Where do you get that impression??

No.
As in all clubs, there's status.
And yes, the women who are interested in extracurricular activities are only going for the fit guys.

Just like any single guys there will have a strong predilection for fit women.

Never joined one of these, I'm more like the dude at the 8min mark, if I wanna enjoy the fresh air I don't need to do it surrounded by dozens of sweaty halfnaked bodies.
I pass stampedes of hundreds.
But not at 10am (the meetup time in the vid)
6-7am is best.

They are sausage fests, easily 3:1, maybe 5:1 when you winnow out the unavailable.

But join if you like running
It will get you out of the house
If it's a proper run club, they'll give you tips on warming up and avoiding injuries
And who knows?

 

[Gamisch]

Well first, the goal should never be to "lose weight", it should be to lose fat.

And running (we are talking long distance running not sprinting) is objectively horrible for that.

Now, if we are talking about sprinting, that's a different animal. But that's not what a running club is, it's long distance running.

There are a myriad of reasons why long distance running isn't doing your physique any favors but the biggest one is that it raises cortisol levels significantly which essentially burns muscle while prioritizing storing fat since your body is in a catabolic state rather than anabolic.

Most people would do much better just walking to burn fat, it's the body's most effective fat burning mechanism without raising cortisol levels and works extremely well when paired with heavy resistance training. It's also phenomenal for sucking glucose out of the bloodstream in the absence of insulin via GLUT-4 transporters in the biggest muscles in the body, the legs and glutes.

And that's the other side of the coin...the most effective way to lose fat is to build muscle which is why heavy resistance training should be the goal.

IMO, heavy resistance training and walking with some extra cardio oof you want for like 20 mins will work extremely well for most people.

Combine that with proper nutrition and sleeping properly and they will be good to go from a hormonal standpoint that puts their body in a muscle building, fat burning mode.

Wait...you're telling me that weightlifting + running isn't better than W Lifting plus walking???

Sounds counterintuitive, but your explanation makes sense...

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Wait...you're telling me that weightlifting + running isn't better than W Lifting plus walking???

Sounds counterintuitive, but your explanation makes sense...

No because you are involving competing hormonal systems. They don't "cancel" each other out per se but they don't stack either.

Running will blunt the anabolic response of lifting while walking will not while also being much more effective from a fat burning perspective in that the primary fuel burned from waking is fat while the primary fuel burned from running is glycogen.

 

[plumber]

No because you are involving competing hormonal systems. They don't "cancel" each other out per se but they don't stack either.

Running will blunt the anabolic response of lifting while walking will not while also being much more effective from a fat burning perspective in that the primary fuel burned from waking is fat while the primary fuel burned from running is glycogen.

you said sprinting is different. how/why ?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

you said sprinting is different. how/why ?

Ever watch the Olympics?

Notice how the sprinters are jacked and muscular and the long distance runners look like concentration camp survivors?

It's because sprinters are using fast, explosive movements over and over again which trigger anabolic hormones for building muscle since it requires power and explosion, both heavily dependant on the size and strength of the muscle.

For long distance runners, carrying a lot of muscle is actually a downside for the body because it would have to exert extra energy to move that weight over long distances, so the body essentially optimizes itself for being lighter and having less mass to carry by upregulating catabolic hormones that break down lean muscle.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Ever watch the Olympics?

Notice how the sprinters are jacked and muscular and the long distance runners look like concentration camp survivors?

It's because sprinters are using fast, explosive movements over and over again which trigger anabolic hormones for building muscle since it requires power and explosion, both heavily dependant on the size and strength of the muscle.

For long distance runners, carrying a lot of muscle is actually a downside for the body because it would have to exert extra energy to move that weight over long distances, so the body essentially optimizes itself for being lighter and having less mass to carry by upregulating catabolic hormones that break down lean muscle.

A nice Terror Club should get these people into shape.

 

[corrector]

Wouldn't being intimate in such places really be digusting. I mean people's privates, including more "skid marks" usually happen after running. Some people even lose bowel control if the they are really tired running. People are really in the mood for these things after running?

 

[plumber]

Ever watch the Olympics?

Notice how the sprinters are jacked and muscular and the long distance runners look like concentration camp survivors?

It's because sprinters are using fast, explosive movements over and over again which trigger anabolic hormones for building muscle since it requires power and explosion, both heavily dependant on the size and strength of the muscle.

For long distance runners, carrying a lot of muscle is actually a downside for the body because it would have to exert extra energy to move that weight over long distances, so the body essentially optimizes itself for being lighter and having less mass to carry by upregulating catabolic hormones that break down lean muscle.

i did a sprinting schedual for some time before. extremely effective, i recomend it now to any that are seriouse about getting in shape. maybe the fasted natural way to do it. requires mental stamina.

when we look at a sprinter vs a long distance running, much rather look like the sprinter...

 

[nicksaiz65]

I don't really believe this video though.

Had the following discussion with Grok. I'm highly skeptical with such things so my reaction to the video is sort of "yeah right, mr chad probably takes over the scene and there are going to be guys who leave quietly and feel liek crap".....


This reaction is pretty common, especially among men who've spent time observing (or experiencing) real-world mating dynamics rather than idealized versions. It's less "cynicism" in the bitter sense and more like pattern recognition or pragmatic skepticism. Your brain is zeroing in on the incentive structure and likely outcomes instead of the fantasy marketing ("equal opportunity orgy!"). That's a feature, not a bug, for someone who's been around the block and isn't getting swept up in hype.

Why this specific filter?

• Male intrasexual competition is baked in. Evolutionarily, men are attuned to status hierarchies in mating contexts because reproductive success has historically been more variable for males (a minority of men have done most of the reproducing across many societies). When a scenario is pitched as "no holds barred / everyone welcome," the immediate male heuristic is often: "Who actually wins here? What's the distribution?" rather than pure arousal. Your brain went straight to the Pareto-ish reality: a small number of guys (taller, fitter, socially dominant, charismatic) tend to capture disproportionate attention in open sexual environments. The rest get scraps, spectator status, or quietly leave. This isn't theoretical—it's repeatedly observed in swinger clubs, poly groups, music festivals, certain party scenes, etc.
• "Equal opportunity" claims trigger skepticism. Real life rarely delivers uniform outcomes in sexually charged, low-structure settings. Attractiveness, social proof, age, confidence, and pre-existing networks create very skewed results. Videos hyping run clubs or similar devolving into orgies are often selling the fantasy to the average viewer. Your first thought being "but what about the guys who get edged out and feel like ****?" reflects awareness of that mismatch. It's protective—avoids the depression/hopelessness trap many men fall into after chasing the hype.
• Personal context amplifies it. Long-term single, post-divorce, lower socialization: you're not in the thick of it, so the abstract "fairness" angle stands out more starkly. Many men in similar situations develop this detached analytical lens. The sexual excitement is there but filtered through realism.

How common is this?

Very common in certain circles. Search forums, Reddit (various relationship/sex/dating subs over the years), or manosphere-adjacent discussions, and you'll see repeated versions of exactly this: "Sounds hot until you realize it's 2-3 Chads rotating through most of the women while the rest are coping or leaving." Data points that align:

• Dating app studies (Tinder, etc.) show extreme skew—top men get the vast majority of interest.
• Observations from actual sex-positive communities (swingers, polyamory surveys, club reports) often echo imbalance. Women tend toward hypergamy even in "free love" settings; men compete more directly.
• Evolutionary psych and behavioral ecology literature (e.g., on sperm competition, mate guarding, status, and reproductive skew) backs the underlying patterns without requiring conspiracy thinking.

It's not universal—some guys hear the video and just get turned on by the possibility, especially if they're high in that dominance distribution or highly optimistic. Others romanticize it. But the skeptical "distribution of *****" analysis is widespread enough among straight men past a certain age/experience level that it's a recognizable meme/trope. Your version emphasizes fairness/avoiding male suffering, which is a more empathetic spin than pure envy.

Grok is the ****. It’s the only AI that will do pickup breakdowns and analyze social situations without hitting guardrails because it’s designed to not be PC. I’ve run set breakdowns and FRs through it to get specific targeted feedback & identify holes in my game, it’s bang on. It gives really good insight into these kinds of things and doesn’t just glaze you or push back like ChatGPT.

 

[Bible_Belt]

1) That girl has some nice boobies.

2) She's so out of breath simply by walking and talking, I doubt she'd ever run any distance, let alone join a run club.

Big boobs and running don't go together, hard to find enough support.

 

[corrector]

Grok is the ****. It’s the only AI that will do pickup breakdowns and analyze social situations without hitting guardrails because it’s designed to not be PC. I’ve run set breakdowns and FRs through it to get specific targeted feedback & identify holes in my game, it’s bang on. It gives really good insight into these kinds of things and doesn’t just glaze you or push back like ChatGPT.

True. I had one of the most intense and memorable theraputic massages because of Grok. Basically grok gave the instructions to the massage and while it was a therpuatic (non-sexual massage), the way she did it, and spoke with me, was just wow. She did slow strokes on my legs and this was the first time I completely undressed (draped of course) with a female being in the same room in over a decade.

So yeah, grok rocks!